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Title: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: deion789 on August 30, 2019, 06:46 pm
I don't see why atheists don't believe in gods. The Big Bang (if true) can't just happen. There has to be a Creator. Explain your reason for being an atheist, or explain why you are against atheism. If you are against atheism, also tell me your specific religion. 
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: Gami on August 30, 2019, 07:01 pm
I don't believe in a god because I don't know if he exists.

'The Big Bang (if true) can't just happen.'
Why can it not?

I'd rather believe in a well-constructed theory that has some actual evidence & observations behind it to back it up than in something that does not.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: Epicosaurus on August 30, 2019, 07:02 pm
If there was a god why would he invent cancer and depression and dementia and why did he have to make my life miserable!!!!! :sad: :mad: :bad: :nads: :brad:
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: marcvider on August 30, 2019, 07:46 pm
I don't believe in a god because I don't know if he exists.

'The Big Bang (if true) can't just happen.'
Why can it not?

I'd rather believe in a well-constructed theory that has some actual evidence & observations behind it to back it up than in something that does not.
It actually has no valid evidence while it is well-constructed. I do not back anything up apart from what makes us humane and what brings actual meaning to life, leading to a better working society to actually bring us a hilarious rate of steps forward, out of countless, towards the greatest mystery in mankind. Big bang theories and religions, most of the time, do not and mostly do the opposite.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: etxbear on August 30, 2019, 07:52 pm
I believe in God in part because I think it's a profound, marvelous thing that anything exists at all. Materialist philosophies and belief systems ultimately lack the means to explain why this is, as do many religions, but religions and belief systems that adhere to classical theism (like Neoplatonism or almost all of Christianity throughout history) can by saying that God doesn't exist, but rather is existence, is being. Everything in the universe and even the universe itself participates in existence, but if your deity also participates in existence (i.e. if your deity exists, like Zeus or something like that), then you still run into the problem of explaining how anything exists at all.

I also like Christianity because this unknowable, transcendent God of classical theism became knowable by becoming human. This God, who is love, became a person so that we might love Him back. It's more complicated than just that, but Christianity kinda inverts religion in a unique way that I find compelling. I also feel like God is definitely present in the liturgy, and so I have a personal feelings that add to my reasons.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: Gami on August 30, 2019, 07:56 pm
It actually has no valid evidence

Cosmic radiation can be tracked back in time and heavily suggests a bing bang. That's some prettt good, valid evidence to me.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: marcvider on August 30, 2019, 07:58 pm
Cosmic radiation can be tracked back in time and heavily suggests a bing bang. That's some prettt good, valid evidence to me.

Do you have some sort of video or something? (Not important, I don't demand for proof, just asking)
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: Bolsillos on August 30, 2019, 08:02 pm
I believe in God because of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JMF6hkOnmY
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: Gami on August 30, 2019, 08:08 pm
Do you have some sort of video or something? (Not important, I don't demand for proof, just asking)
https://youtu.be/aPStj2ZuXug
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: marcvider on August 30, 2019, 08:15 pm
https://youtu.be/aPStj2ZuXug

Also, you've spelled bing just like I did before correcting it 100 times. lmao

Frankly, all of this is leading to a better understanding of how everything works as well as the expansion of the universe. That still does not explain or give a clue of how it started. What caused it? I'm not saying that the big explosion did not happen (which, again, do not back up), I am only concerned about how and why it happened, comprende?
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: Gami on August 30, 2019, 08:32 pm
Also, you've spelled bing just like I did before correcting it 100 times. lmao

:) :) :) god dammit

Frankly, all of this is leading to a better understanding of how everything works as well as the expansion of the universe. That still does not explain or give a clue of how it happened. What caused it? I'm not saying that the big explosion did not happen (which, again, do not back up), I am only concerned about how and why it happened, comprende?

Yeah I gotchu
I wasn't trying to explain why it happened, just that there is evidence for the fact that it very most likely did.

Just realized I misread the quesion (forgive me it's late)
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: marcvider on August 30, 2019, 09:01 pm
Np.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: kingtrent333 on August 30, 2019, 09:09 pm
Cause he doesn’t exist duh
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on August 30, 2019, 09:18 pm
If there was a god why would he invent cancer and depression and dementia and why did he have to make my life miserable!!!!! :sad: :mad: :bad: :nads: :brad:
Well I believe and most Christians believe that all bad things are not caused by God but are caused by the enemy. God doesnt fix these problems as he wants us to grow and improve as a person and connect with him and build a strong relationship with him :) We have to remember that someone is by ourselves all the time even if you feel lonely. That is why you 'look up' and 'dont look down' :)

If your somehow joking just ignore this, its not obvious to see if someone is joking or not in the internet :P
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: deion789 on August 30, 2019, 10:20 pm
Well I believe and most Christians believe that all bad things are not caused by God but are caused by the enemy. God doesnt fix these problems as he wants us to grow and improve as a person and connect with him and build a strong relationship with him :) We have to remember that someone is by ourselves all the time even if you feel lonely. That is why you 'look up' and 'dont look down' :)

If your somehow joking just ignore this, its not obvious to see if someone is joking or not in the internet :P
Some things are also due to sin.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on August 30, 2019, 11:12 pm
Some things are also due to sin.
You Christian boi :)
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: jigglypuff12345 on August 30, 2019, 11:17 pm
everybody in this thread browses r/atheism
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: william2001 on August 30, 2019, 11:30 pm
I believe in God, but not in the traditional Christian sense. I believe god is both you and me. Every1 is u pushed out
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: bestatgames9 on August 30, 2019, 11:37 pm
(confused agnostotheism noises)
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: Demonxz95 on August 30, 2019, 11:48 pm
I don't believe in a god because, quite frankly, it makes no sense. If there was a god, what documentation of him exists? Where did all of these depictions of God/Jesus in fiction come from? If he's supposedly still alive, has anyone actually seen him? If so, where is he? Am I expected to believe all of the depictions that involve him above the clouds floating? No, that doesn't make any sense.

God did not create you. Your parents splodeed, and then your mother gave birth to you. If a hurricane destroys your house, you don't pray to God that things will be better. He just destroyed your house.

Although I must stress this one point out - Just because I don't believe in your god or follow your religion, does not mean I disrespect you or the religion you follow. I believe what makes the person is... the person. No matter what religion you follow (provided it's a real one, and not some Pastafarianism bullsplode), I respect your right to follow your religion, and respect you as a person should you have a good soul.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: william2001 on August 30, 2019, 11:59 pm
I don't believe in a god because, quite frankly, it makes no sense. If there was a god, what documentation of him exists? Where did all of these depictions of God/Jesus in fiction come from? If he's supposedly still alive, has anyone actually seen him? If so, where is he? Am I expected to believe all of the depictions that involve him above the clouds floating? No, that doesn't make any sense.

God did not create you. Your parents splodeed, and then your mother gave birth to you. If a hurricane destroys your house, you don't pray to God that things will be better. He just destroyed your house.

Although I must stress this one point out - Just because I don't believe in your god or follow your religion, does not mean I disrespect you or the religion you follow. I believe what makes the person is... the person. No matter what religion you follow (provided it's a real one, and not some Pastafarianism bullsplode), I respect your right to follow your religion, and respect you as a person should you have a good soul.
Here's the thing: You can't prove or disprove God's existence because by nature he/she is nonphysical/mental. You can't prove something that's nonphysical using physical means. Everything we've ever proven using Science has been physical.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: kingtrent333 on August 31, 2019, 12:43 am
(http://i.chzbgr.com/full/6310107904/h0123C250/)
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: kof on August 31, 2019, 05:11 am
i was brought up with a lack of belief of him existing and everyone around me seemed the same (except the hymns in first school assembly) so ive always been irreligious. never looked into it much either just kinda stuck with it. im also too lazy to commit to any religion that would have me do anything that i don't already do
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: Rockyroad797 on August 31, 2019, 07:15 am
Your question doesn't make any sense. You're asking why atheists can't believe in god, but if they do they wouldn't be called Atheists. Atheists itself means a person who doesnt believe in god. If an atheist believes in god he becomes a non-atheist. If all atheists believe in good it wouldnt exist
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on August 31, 2019, 07:23 am
Your question doesn't make any sense. You're asking why atheists can't believe in god, but if they do they wouldn't be called Atheists. Atheists itself means a person who doesnt believe in god. If an atheist believes in god he becomes a non-atheist. If all atheists believe in good it wouldnt exist
Hes saying why do thoose who consider themself as an atheist dont believe in God ;)
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: Epicosaurus on August 31, 2019, 08:22 am
If your somehow joking just ignore this, its not obvious to see if someone is joking or not in the internet :P

:sad: :mad: :bad: :nads: :brad:
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: marcvider on August 31, 2019, 09:11 am
God is something beyond our understanding and perception as well as the laws of God's kind of existence, beginning, etc. If God created beginning, space and matter, then God cannot be affected by them. There was basically no beginning/birth of God, so to say. God is simply just there, It's only how we accept all of it. It is as complicated as it gets. God created what, when, where, why and how and that's basically all we can perceive with our brains and soul.

I am a bit tired and feeling a lot lazy today, but I have a lot more to share. I'll say more stuff I have to say some other time.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: william2001 on August 31, 2019, 12:59 pm
God is something beyond our understanding and perception as well as the laws of God's kind of existence, beginning, etc. If God created beginning, space and matter, then God cannot be affected by them. There was basically no beginning/birth of God, so to say. God is simply just there, It's only how we accept all of it. It is as complicated as it gets. God created what, when, where, why and how and that's basically all we can perceive with our brains and soul.

I am a bit tired and feeling a lot lazy today, but I have a lot more to share. I'll say more stuff I have to say some other time.
God is the observer and creator hiding behind a meat bag called a human perceiving himself as one of those meat bags, unaware that he is the cause of every tiny bit of reality and unaware that the world is dead, with him being its animating power. If only he knew that if he were to strip himself of every single belief that has caused him to anchor to a set of ideas associated with this realm, he would remember and be able to use the great power he has.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: thepatient on August 31, 2019, 02:26 pm
god will exist ONLY when dale18 becomes the owner of the sploder discord trademark
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: marcvider on August 31, 2019, 02:37 pm
God is the observer and creator hiding behind a meat bag called a human perceiving himself as one of those meat bags, unaware that he is the cause of every tiny bit of reality and unaware that the world is dead, with him being its animating power. If only he knew that if he were to strip himself of every single belief that has caused him to anchor to a set of ideas associated with this realm, he would remember and be able to use the great power he has.

I don't think that there's a better way of saying this, I'm quite impressed.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: Master on August 31, 2019, 05:22 pm
 I believe atheistic beliefs are totally moronic too, but why did you have to make this thread?
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: Master on August 31, 2019, 05:35 pm
I believe in God because of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JMF6hkOnmY
Holy splode! That guy just proved Christianity!
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: seanthechinaman on August 31, 2019, 06:39 pm
Well I believe and most Christians believe that all bad things are not caused by God but are caused by the enemy. God doesnt fix these problems as he wants us to grow and improve as a person and connect with him and build a strong relationship with him :) We have to remember that someone is by ourselves all the time even if you feel lonely. That is why you 'look up' and 'dont look down' :)

If your somehow joking just ignore this, its not obvious to see if someone is joking or not in the internet :P
connecting with god nor improving as a person can cure cancer
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: bestatgames9 on August 31, 2019, 10:07 pm
Gunman: [points revolver at Xavier] Do you believe in God?
Xavier: That's a complicated question. It depends on what you mean by 'God'. You see, I--
Gunman: [shoves gun into Xavier's face] Yes or no?
Xavier: [pushes gun away] It helps no one to be reductive. I think that, that we are here implies to some degree that there are forces larger than us. Now, we can get into the semanticalities
Gunman: [becoming agitated] Yes or no?!
Xavier: The very notion of belief itself can be be rhetorically whittled to the bare nub of its meaning. I'd like to talk to you a lot more about this, would you be interested in reading some of my literature?
Gunman: No!
[the Gunman shoots himself in the head]
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: deion789 on September 01, 2019, 01:16 am
connecting with god nor improving as a person can cure cancer
yeah, those aren't the only reasons god doesn't fix some problems caused the devil/satan/enemy. Some problems not fixed by God are because of the reasons above and because he wants us to deal with these problems head on. Learn how to solve them, evade them, treat/cure them, things like that. And learning things like that (and many other things) is related to your maturity and growth, you're developing. So really, Mk needed to be more specific about that.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: deion789 on September 01, 2019, 01:37 am
I believe atheistic beliefs are totally moronic too, but why did you have to make this thread?
this is a question/debate kind of thread. I made this due to curiosity and interest
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: deion789 on September 01, 2019, 01:57 am
i was brought up with a lack of belief of him existing and everyone around me seemed the same (except the hymns in first school assembly) so ive always been irreligious. never looked into it much either just kinda stuck with it. im also too lazy to commit to any religion that would have me do anything that i don't already do
you don't have to go to church and commit praise as a habit. you can still do whatever and not have to do anything you don't already do. A thing I like about Christianity. I don't go to church really but still believe in God. Church is a praising place and a place for learning and building a relationship with God, but its an option because you can do that anytime during your time on Earth. You will do all that later in heaven, so enjoy your time here and be as lazy as you want, although not living up to your purpose can spell missed opportunities that I don't feel like naming right now.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: Master on September 01, 2019, 02:52 am
this is a question/debate kind of thread. I made this due to curiosity and interest
You do know we have a big skyscraper just for that subject.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: sticki on September 01, 2019, 04:05 am
Grew up religious, decided that religion for me would only be accepting an inconclusive answer to questions lacking answers and would rather be happy not knowing the answers than accepting what I believe to be falsehood. I'm open to the answer when and if it ever presents itself because I won't have to put faith into knowing it to be true. But I also feel like our perception of the world is unique to the individual at least to an extent so I don't discredit anyone who is religious as I feel there's a lot of benefits to living a religious life, I'd rather be dead than devote myself to religion though.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on September 01, 2019, 04:33 am
yeah, those aren't the only reasons god doesn't fix some problems caused the devil/satan/enemy. Some problems not fixed by God are because of the reasons above and because he wants us to deal with these problems head on. Learn how to solve them, evade them, treat/cure them, things like that. And learning things like that (and many other things) is related to your maturity and growth, you're developing. So really, Mk needed to be more specific about that.
Im pretty sure I said God does it so we can grow. So im confused on what I need to specific about :P
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on September 01, 2019, 04:34 am
connecting with god nor improving as a person can cure cancer
Hey, you never know :P God can do the impossible :P, he is the creator of the universe afterall,in my opinion.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: marcvider on September 01, 2019, 07:53 am
Gunman: [points revolver at Xavier] Do you believe in God?
Xavier: That's a complicated question. It depends on what you mean by 'God'. You see, I--
Gunman: [shoves gun into Xavier's face] Yes or no?
Xavier: [pushes gun away] It helps no one to be reductive. I think that, that we are here implies to some degree that there are forces larger than us. Now, we can get into the semanticalities
Gunman: [becoming agitated] Yes or no?!
Xavier: The very notion of belief itself can be be rhetorically whittled to the bare nub of its meaning. I'd like to talk to you a lot more about this, would you be interested in reading some of my literature?
Gunman: No!
[the Gunman shoots himself in the head]

Omg best surreal entertainment show ever. That made me seize ip to laughter.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: deion789 on September 01, 2019, 11:34 am
You do know we have a big skyscraper just for that subject.
yes, but that^ isn't what you asked me
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: 7grant2 on September 01, 2019, 01:40 pm
Atheism is the lack of belief in a god. Atheism isn’t the assertion that the universe created from nothing, but rather that God does not exist. Atheism does not assert the knowledge of how the universe started, but that it wasn’t god. With that, it’s not up to the atheist to defend the lack of belief, but rather the theist to prove a god or gods do exist.

Specifics become more in depth, but that’s the run of the general stuff. Personally, general theism not tied to a specific god is a very interesting philosophy, but human made gods are silly. I would say I’m agnostic in the sense that I cannot assert if a higher powered entity or entities created the universe, but that begets the question what made them. However, I do not believe in any man made religion such as Christianity, Islam, or Judaism.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: deion789 on September 01, 2019, 03:57 pm
Atheism is the lack of belief in a god. Atheism isn’t the assertion that the universe created from nothing, but rather that God does not exist. Atheism does not assert the knowledge of how the universe started, but that it wasn’t god. With that, it’s not up to the atheist to defend the lack of belief, but rather the theist to prove a god or gods do exist.

Specifics become more in depth, but that’s the run of the general stuff. Personally, general theism not tied to a specific god is a very interesting philosophy, but human made gods are silly. I would say I’m agnostic in the sense that I cannot assert if a higher powered entity or entities created the universe, but that begets the question what made them. However, I do not believe in any man made religion such as Christianity, Islam, or Judaism.
those religions and the specific God(s)
aren't really artificial, or made up though, atleast to me.
We can't really answer using science and physical means to determine whether or not God exists, but in the Bible its noted that we can't really see God or be in his presence in our human body because doing so will actually kill us. That's why God won't ever come to Earth until the Revelation, which i don't have time to be explaining rn. Some people have witnessed or have been given a message about the things told in the Bible. There have even been books describing heaven and hell. That is mainly why I don't believe these religions are made up. There is good evidence and witnessed splode that is very convincing to me. There is splodety man-made religions I won't name that have no good evidence or witnessed events, but Christianity and some other ones aren't made up. We will find out for sure once we are dead. Not clinically, but like 100% dead, no chance of coming back.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: thepatient on September 02, 2019, 08:47 am
god touched my ass
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: marcvider on September 02, 2019, 09:14 am
Blessed thread.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: Rich3001k on September 02, 2019, 03:38 pm
i've been craving a good ol sploder forums religious debate
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: deion789 on September 02, 2019, 04:08 pm
i've been craving a good ol sploder forums religious debate
yes
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: deion789 on September 03, 2019, 12:25 am
God is the observer and creator hiding behind a meat bag called a human perceiving himself as one of those meat bags, unaware that he is the cause of every tiny bit of reality and unaware that the world is dead, with him being its animating power. If only he knew that if he were to strip himself of every single belief that has caused him to anchor to a set of ideas associated with this realm, he would remember and be able to use the great power he has.
nah man
he isn't hiding in one of us
he knows of the power he has
he's all the way up in heaven
its up to him when to use the great power and reset this fallen world, He is letting us do whatever we want. Humanity is going to self-destruct, and when that happens, God will intervene and work his magic. After judging us, he is basically going to reset the Earth, a new, fresh earth free of sin and no bad things like storms, natural disasters, other crap. Thing is, this new earth is only promised to all believers, and if you guys do believe in God, you guys get guaranteed eternal life in the new world promised to us.
OK I'm going off-topic, so the point is, this isn't that correct, but that's my belief anyway
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: william2001 on September 03, 2019, 12:51 am
nah man
he isn't hiding in one of us
he knows of the power he has
he's all the way up in heaven
its up to him when to use the great power and reset this fallen world, He is letting us do whatever we want. Humanity is going to self-destruct, and when that happens, God will intervene and work his magic. After judging us, he is basically going to reset the Earth, a new, fresh earth free of sin and no bad things like storms, natural disasters, other crap. Thing is, this new earth is only promised to all believers, and if you guys do believe in God, you guys get guaranteed eternal life in the new world promised to us.
OK I'm going off-topic, so the point is, this isn't that correct, but that's my belief anyway
I'm sorry but I feel as though that's a belief that is consistently wrong and dangerous.

God is absolutely in each of us because each of us are god.
God does not know the power he has because he made himself forget so he could experience his creations. Although he can forget about his power, that does not mean he stops using it. He is always using his powers, whether for good or for evil. Evil, pain, and suffering continues to exist because he is unaware that he is the real cause.
As a matter of fact, although I do not like using or reading the Bible, the entire Bible itself proves this fact. It's just that man has misinterpreted the Biblical teachings to fit his own desires. For one, the Bible is not supposed to be literal. It's an allegorical story fit to teach others about the god that hides within them. When the Bible prohibits Idolatry, it's really talking about the fact that it's a sin to worship those outside of yourself, for there is no power that can give you control of your own destiny and world other than your own imagination. The very act of stating that there is an external God is a form of Idolatry.
When the Bible talks about sin, it doesn't mean "sin" as something that's to be punished. It means "sin" as something that is without the realization of your own influence on the world around you, essentially turning away from your own power. "Sin" means without, in other words, without god.
Straight from the Bible, "A man can receive nothing unless it is given him from heaven" [John 3:27] and "The kingdom of heaven is within you" [Luke 17:21]. These verses mean that one cannot receive anything unless given to him from HEAVEN (which is another word for the Human Imagination) When Luke says the kingdom of heaven is within you, he's referring to your own imagination. These two verses mean that the human imagination is in each man, and that human imagination creates our reality.

"Let the weak man say, 'I am strong'" (Joel 3:10) - This verse reinforces the fact that we inhabit the cloaks we create for ourselves. If you imagine something with the vividness of the current reality, and there are no conflicting beliefs, your reality will, even if slowly, begin to shape in order to fit your beliefs.

I think it is very helpful to consider God as a single entity, while also being each of us. You, me, and everyone else are really God. No, not me, William, no, not you, deion. But the real you and me, the entity who masquerades and wears the cloak created and named, "William". As well as every other disguise, such as the cloak named "deion".
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on September 03, 2019, 04:06 am
I'm sorry but I feel as though that's a belief that is consistently wrong and dangerous.

God is absolutely in each of us because each of us are god.
God does not know the power he has because he made himself forget so he could experience his creations. Although he can forget about his power, that does not mean he stops using it. He is always using his powers, whether for good or for evil. Evil, pain, and suffering continues to exist because he is unaware that he is the real cause.
As a matter of fact, although I do not like using or reading the Bible, the entire Bible itself proves this fact. It's just that man has misinterpreted the Biblical teachings to fit his own desires. For one, the Bible is not supposed to be literal. It's an allegorical story fit to teach others about the god that hides within them. When the Bible prohibits Idolatry, it's really talking about the fact that it's a sin to worship those outside of yourself, for there is no power that can give you control of your own destiny and world other than your own imagination. The very act of stating that there is an external God is a form of Idolatry.
When the Bible talks about sin, it doesn't mean "sin" as something that's to be punished. It means "sin" as something that is without the realization of your own influence on the world around you, essentially turning away from your own power. "Sin" means without, in other words, without god.
Straight from the Bible, "A man can receive nothing unless it is given him from heaven" [John 3:27] and "The kingdom of heaven is within you" [Luke 17:21]. These verses mean that one cannot receive anything unless given to him from HEAVEN (which is another word for the Human Imagination) When Luke says the kingdom of heaven is within you, he's referring to your own imagination. These two verses mean that the human imagination is in each man, and that human imagination creates our reality.

"Let the weak man say, 'I am strong'" (Joel 3:10) - This verse reinforces the fact that we inhabit the cloaks we create for ourselves. If you imagine something with the vividness of the current reality, and there are no conflicting beliefs, your reality will, even if slowly, begin to shape in order to fit your beliefs.

I think it is very helpful to consider God as a single entity, while also being each of us. You, me, and everyone else are really God. No, not me, William, no, not you, deion. But the real you and me, the entity who masquerades and wears the cloak created and named, "William". As well as every other disguise, such as the cloak named "deion".
"I'm sorry but I feel as though that's a belief that is consistently wrong and dangerous. "
Note:I've written a huge essay on this but i deleted it by accident. So I wont be quoting like I was before.

We are not God. Why? Because we aint perfect boi. We all sin. And dont tell me you are God. Everyone has sinned. Everyone has lied or made someone angry or sad. That is sin. Believing that you are "God" is something very "wrong and dangerous."Thats what the enemy wants us to feel and lots of us had fallen into this trap. There is only ONE God, who is so perfect with a mind beyond our knowledge, that is Jesus Christ our God. 'The LORD thy God is one LORD.' [Deuteronomy 6:4], so according to you we are Gods who hide under "cloaks" but wait that doesnt make sence,are you saying that there 7.53 billion Gods? lol what? And dont say that we can " control our own destiny" using our  "own imagination" because if that was the truth I would control each and everyone on planet Earth but in reality we cant. I know I cant stop wars right now because I know I aint God. There is only ONE. And sorry to burst your bubble but it aint you or me or anyone around us. Also looks like you dont know what the meaning of 'sin' is. Sin is something that we have done to seperate us from God not seperating from our "true selves". The enemy does this so we cant connect with him. But God is so desperate to know each and everyone of us but we arent. We are hardening our hearts. We are stopping from letting him into our lives. The fact that he cried tied and died on the cross so he can show us what true love is, is simply amazing. The fact that he did it to unify his love with us is so all amazing. And that is Jesus Christ our God. If Jesus did not die and rise again, our lives would be the scriptures we see in the old testament, all full of hate and destruction. Thats why we have that section in the Bible so we can see what our world will be like without the sacrifice Jesus has made for us. And no you didnt. But you did. You misinterpreted a verse, in this case [Joel 3:10]. But if you look at the whole story you will see that those who believe in the power of God(Jesus) NOT ourselves will experience Gods Salvation. [Joel 2:22] "And everyone who calls  on the name of the Lord will be saved" In this Chapter 2 and 3 the Bible was talking about what is going to happen when Jesus Christ comes back to Earth during the last days of the world,he describes how he going to make a perfect world for us, but first he would judge them based on their sins. Yeah so dont know why you were talking about our dreams turning into reality.
God Bless :P
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: william2001 on September 03, 2019, 05:12 am
"I'm sorry but I feel as though that's a belief that is consistently wrong and dangerous. "
Note:I've written a huge essay on this but i deleted it by accident. So I wont be quoting like I was before.

We are not God. Why? Because we aint perfect boi. We all sin. And dont tell me you are God. Everyone has sinned. Everyone has lied or made someone angry or sad. That is sin. Believing that you are "God" is something very "wrong and dangerous."Thats what the enemy wants us to feel and lots of us had fallen into this trap. There is only ONE God, who is so perfect with a mind beyond our knowledge, that is Jesus Christ our God. 'The LORD thy God is one LORD.' [Deuteronomy 6:4], so according to you we are Gods who hide under "cloaks" but wait that doesnt make sence,are you saying that there 7.53 billion Gods? lol what? And dont say that we can " control our own destiny" using our  "own imagination" because if that was the truth I would control each and everyone on planet Earth but in reality we cant. I know I cant stop wars right now because I know I aint God. There is only ONE. And sorry to burst your bubble but it aint you or me or anyone around us. Also looks like you dont know what the meaning of 'sin' is. Sin is something that we have done to seperate us from God not seperating from our "true selves". The enemy does this so we cant connect with him. But God is so desperate to know each and everyone of us but we arent. We are hardening our hearts. We are stopping from letting him into our lives. The fact that he cried tied and died on the cross so he can show us what true love is, is simply amazing. The fact that he did it to unify his love with us is so all amazing. And that is Jesus Christ our God. If Jesus did not die and rise again, our lives would be the scriptures we see in the old testament, all full of hate and destruction. Thats why we have that section in the Bible so we can see what our world will be like without the sacrifice Jesus has made for us. And no you didnt. But you did. You misinterpreted a verse, in this case [Joel 3:10]. But if you look at the whole story you will see that those who believe in the power of God(Jesus) NOT ourselves will experience Gods Salvation. [Joel 2:22] "And everyone who calls  on the name of the Lord will be saved" In this Chapter 2 and 3 the Bible was talking about what is going to happen when Jesus Christ comes back to Earth during the last days of the world,he describes how he going to make a perfect world for us, but first he would judge them based on their sins. Yeah so dont know why you were talking about our dreams turning into reality.
God Bless :P
You misunderstand my entire argument. There is ONE god, but every single living being, animal, and thing is under ONE god. Life and the universe are really all one god, and that one god has masked himself as many different things. You say that just because we "sin" that it apparently means we aren't god, but I explained in my previous argument that sin, as a matter of fact, means that you do not recognize the power of your own imagination. Therefore, god can sin, because god can be unaware that he is dreaming the dream of life. You seem to fail to understand the concept that everything can all be one thing. The masks we have created for ourselves are not perfect, you're right. But we choose to use those masks ourselves as the perfect creators we truly are behind the mask. Yes, the Bible does describe the perfect world "Jesus Christ" makes, but again this is not literal. Jesus Christ is the man (mask) remembering the power he has (rising and becoming one with God) and using that realization to create a better world for himself.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: william2001 on September 03, 2019, 05:39 am

You misunderstand my entire argument. There is ONE god, but every single living being, animal, and thing is under ONE god. Life and the universe are really all one god, and that one god has masked himself as many different things. You say that just because we "sin" that it apparently means we aren't god, but I explained in my previous argument that sin, as a matter of fact, means that you do not recognize the power of your own imagination. Therefore, god can sin, because god can be unaware that he is dreaming the dream of life. You seem to fail to understand the concept that everything can all be one thing. The masks we have created for ourselves are not perfect, you're right. But we choose to use those masks ourselves as the perfect creators we truly are behind the mask. Yes, the Bible does describe the perfect world "Jesus Christ" makes, but again this is not literal. Jesus Christ is the man (mask) remembering the power he has (rising and becoming one with God) and using that realization to create a better world for himself.
Let me give you an experiment to prove the concept in practice as well, called Neville Goddard's Ladder Experiment. What I'll post might be a simplified version, but it should work almost exactly the same nonetheless.
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When you go to sleep tonight, picture yourself, quite vividly, climbing a ladder in front of you. Be sure to use your senses and use as much vivid imagery and potent detail as possible to imagine yourself climbing this ladder. When you reach the top of the ladder, climb down, then back up again. Do this imagery for around five to ten minutes, whichever feels most comfortable to you. Repeat this process for three days, taking five to ten minutes right before you go to bed to practice this imagery.

After you do that, write several notes stating "I will not climb a ladder" and place them in different places you see throughout the day, each time tell yourself that you will not climb a ladder and convince yourself it isn't true. After three days of doing this, let go.

Lastly, forget about climbing a ladder, do not think about climbing a ladder nor going out of your way to find a ladder, let it come to you naturally.
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This is a simple experiment done to prove the concept that everyone is indeed God, and proves that their imagination affects their reality. If you do not see results a week after doing the steps in the experiment, then you do not have to take my posts to value. I'm saying for you to try it, and if it works for you, then good. If not, you can either try the experiment again, or forget about it completely. This is not a case of religion brainwashing, but rather a case of you can either try it, or don't. Either way you don't lose anything except some time if the experiment fails.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on September 03, 2019, 05:50 am
Let me give you an experiment to prove the concept in practice as well, called Neville Goddard's Ladder Experiment. What I'll post might be a simplified version, but it should work almost exactly the same nonetheless.
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When you go to sleep tonight, picture yourself, quite vividly, climbing a ladder in front of you. Be sure to use your senses and use as much vivid imagery and potent detail as possible to imagine yourself climbing this ladder. When you reach the top of the ladder, climb down, then back up again. Do this imagery for around five to ten minutes, whichever feels most comfortable to you. Repeat this process for three days, taking five to ten minutes right before you go to bed to practice this imagery.

After you do that, write several notes stating "I will not climb a ladder" and place them in different places you see throughout the day, each time tell yourself that you will not climb a ladder and convince yourself it isn't true. After three days of doing this, let go.

Lastly, forget about climbing a ladder, do not think about climbing a ladder nor going out of your way to find a ladder, let it come to you naturally.
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This is a simple experiment done to prove the concept that everyone is indeed God, and proves that their imagination affects their reality. If you do not see results a week after doing the steps in the experiment, then you do not have to take my posts to value. I'm saying for you to try it, and if it works for you, then good. If not, you can either try the experiment again, or forget about it completely. This is not a case of religion brainwashing, but rather a case of you can either try it, or don't. Either way you don't lose anything except some time if the experiment fails.
The enemy wants us to think we are God but we are not. Jesus is God. Not some random human who imagined everything he has done. Your ladder experiment tells me nothing except the fact your saying we can do anything we can do in our dreams. We all are not God. Everything together cannot be God. There is only one God. Like I said before.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on September 03, 2019, 05:56 am
The enemy wants us to think we are God but we are not. Jesus is God. Not some random human who imagined everything he has done. Your ladder experiment tells me nothing except the fact your saying we can do anything we can do in our dreams. We all are not God. Everything together cannot be God. There is only one God. Like I said before.
O and to add, God doesnt sin. God is a perfect being, so by saying God sin because God is us humans makes no sence. If we were God why would I choose to be a normal person? Why cant I pick someone who is rich? And if we were all part of one being, your saying we created the universe and everything. But how come I cant create a mini planet inside my house right now?
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: william2001 on September 03, 2019, 06:02 am
The enemy wants us to think we are God but we are not. Jesus is God. Not some random human who imagined everything he has done. Your ladder experiment tells me nothing except the fact your saying we can do anything we can do in our dreams. We all are not God. Everything together cannot be God. There is only one God. Like I said before.
I agree with you that there is only one God. What you do not seem to understand is the concept that everything can be God as everything is mainly an illusion. Suffering, pain, happiness, all an illusion. God is asleep, dreaming he is each of us. You do not have to do the experiment but if you're ever curious you can try it for yourself, you only have to try it. And yes, I can say we can do anything we can do in our dreams, that is the entire point. The reason why we seemingly can't is because we've used our power to keep ourselves asleep and to keep this dream world rigid. That's what beliefs and expectations are. Jesus is god, because Jesus is the representation of humans, and God is the godly power we are each capable of. Jesus rising into heaven is the story of mankind becoming aware of his godly power once more.

We believe ourselves to not have any power, so we make it so. We believe ourselves to not be strong, we make it so. We believe ourselves bound by rigid rules, we make it so. We believe ourselves to be in a world surrounded by death, hatred, fear, anger, and violence, so we make it so. We believe that there is a history to this world that is rigid while ignoring the fact that our reality changes every second, we make it so. We believe that there is a rigid past and future to this world instead of an ever-changing present state, we make it so.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: william2001 on September 03, 2019, 06:08 am
O and to add, God doesnt sin. God is a perfect being, so by saying God sin because God is us humans makes no sence.
Humans are a mask that god puts on while he is unaware he is god. God can sin because, just like I told you, sin is the nonrecognition that you are god. It is the distancing of Jesus (the representation of mankind, the common person, you) and God (your power)
If we were God why would I choose to be a normal person? Why cant I pick someone who is rich?
Because you believed yourself to be a normal person. Belief and imagination creates reality.
And if we were all part of one being, your saying we created the universe and everything. But how come I cant create a mini planet inside my house right now?
Because you assumed that the laws of physics affect and limit the world. You, along with 99% of the population, have grown up for over a decade or two, perhaps even more, using their brilliant power-- without them knowing-- limiting their power in favor of promoting rigid rules to what we call physical reality. This also solves the question of whether or not god can create a boulder that he cannot lift. The answer is yes, he can, as long as he is unaware that he is god.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on September 03, 2019, 06:09 am
I agree with you that there is only one God. What you do not seem to understand is the concept that everything can be God as everything is mainly an illusion. Suffering, pain, happiness, all an illusion. God is asleep, dreaming he is each of us. You do not have to do the experiment but if you're ever curious you can try it for yourself, you only have to try it. And yes, I can say we can do anything we can do in our dreams, that is the entire point. The reason why we seemingly can't is because we've used our power to keep ourselves asleep and to keep this dream world rigid. That's what beliefs and expectations are. Jesus is god, because Jesus is the representation of humans, and God is the godly power we are each capable of. Jesus rising into heaven is the story of mankind becoming aware of his godly power once more.

We believe ourselves to not have any power, so we make it so. We believe ourselves to not be strong, we make it so. We believe ourselves bound by rigid rules, we make it so. We believe ourselves to be in a world surrounded by death, hatred, fear, anger, and violence, so we make it so. We believe that there is a history to this world that is rigid while ignoring the fact that our reality changes every second, we make it so. We believe that there is a rigid past and future to this world instead of an ever-changing present state, we make it so.
I am saying that we dont have God power. God is not dreaming inside of me. Because if he is dreaming inside of people how come atheists dont believe in God? If God is inside of them? Shouldnt they believe in God then if God is inside of them? Jesus is not the "repretation of humans" Jesus is a representation of God. Your saying that Jesus isnt God, but your saying we humans are God... And no emotions are not an illusion.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: william2001 on September 03, 2019, 06:12 am
I am saying that we dont have God power. God is not dreaming inside of me. Because if he is dreaming inside of people how come atheists dont believe in God? If God is inside of them? Shouldnt they believe in God then if God is inside of them? Jesus is not the "repretation of humans" Jesus is a representation of God. Your saying that Jesus isnt God, but your saying we humans are God... And no emotions are not an illusion.
I just told you Jesus is God in my arguments. Jesus is the metaphor for humankind, which is god. Humans are gods because Jesus is god. Atheists don't believe in god and therefore they do not see any evidence that god exists. (Most) Christians believe that an external god exists, and so they see personal experience that supports their fact, such as near-death experiences talking with God, and God contacting them while they're praying. The same applies to Muslims, Jews, and almost all religions.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on September 03, 2019, 06:16 am
Humans are a mask that god puts on while he is unaware he is god. God can sin because, just like I told you, sin is the nonrecognition that you are god.
So if I ask a person desperate for money who is poor and doesnt have a house and is going to die, your saying that they dont want to be someone who is rich or at least neutral?

"Humans are a mask that god puts on while he is unaware he is god. God can sin because, just like I told you, sin is the nonrecognition that you are god. It is the distancing of Jesus (the representation of mankind, the common person, you) and God (your power)"

Ah? I think God knows that he is God. It says in the Bible plus how would he create the world. Did he accidentally created the world and place on "a mask" to become human to go on Earth? and be each and every one of us? Why would God put on a mask,not knowing that he is God lol. Plus your saying in this quote that Jesus is a common person. Well no. Most Christians including me believe that Jesus is not a "common person" but God, who is perfect and has never sinned. God does not represent the power we have because if that happened our world would be in chaos, full of destruction and war,with people gaining everything they want. Our life would be Aladdin where we are the genies. Now, no one would want a world like that and luckily that is not true as planet Earth is still in one piece and everyone knows what love is due to Jesus who died on the cross for our sins to show what true love is ;)
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on September 03, 2019, 06:20 am
I just told you Jesus is God in my arguments. Jesus is the metaphor for humankind, which is god. Humans are gods because Jesus is god. Atheists don't believe in god and therefore they do not see any evidence that god exists. (Most) Christians believe that an external god exists, and so they see personal experience that supports their fact, such as near-death experiences talking with God, and God contacting them while they're praying. The same applies to Muslims, Jews, and almost all religions.
Wait im confusion. Because you told me that every human here is God. So your saying if you believe you are something that will happen? So, how come a little girl who wishes to become a fairy doesnt happen? She dresses is bright sparkly clothes and dreams to be a fairy who can fly. Why isnt she a fairy?

"Humans are gods because Jesus is god"
Lol what? So your saying if one person is a prime minister of a country everyone is the prime minister of that country too? Because they are both human? Jesus is unique. He does not sin because God does not sin. While we do thats why we arent God,but Jesus is, who is God.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: william2001 on September 03, 2019, 06:24 am
So if I ask a person desperate for money who is poor and doesnt have a house and is going to die, your saying that they dont want to be someone who is rich or at least neutral?
No, I'm not saying they don't want to be someone who is rich, I'm saying they don't believe themselves to be rich and don't believe that they attract an abundance of wealth in their lives.

"Humans are a mask that god puts on while he is unaware he is god. God can sin because, just like I told you, sin is the nonrecognition that you are god. It is the distancing of Jesus (the representation of mankind, the common person, you) and God (your power)"

Ah? I think God knows that he is God. It says in the Bible plus how would he create the world. Did he accidentally created the world and place on "a mask" to become human to go on Earth? and be each and every one of us? Why would God put on a mask,not knowing that he is God lol. Plus your saying in this quote that Jesus is a common person. Well no. Most Christians including me believe that Jesus is not a "common person" but God, who is perfect and has never sinned. God does not represent the power we have because if that happened our world would be in chaos, full of destruction and war,with people gaining everything they want. Our life would be Aladdin where we are the genies. Now, no one would want a world like that and luckily that is not true as planet Earth is still in one piece and everyone knows what love is due to Jesus who died on the cross for our sins to show what true love is ;)
I don't know for sure why you and I decided to put on these masks, however we can make a pretty good guess. Perhaps God simply wanted to explore the world he created. He created the world, and then decided to live out a life on the world to see what it was like. Perhaps he even created a majority of the world without knowing it? All of the strife, chaos, war, etc. that you see now, god could have created it entirely without knowing.

You are always using your godly power. You can misuse it, but you cannot waste it. Every single thought, intent, and belief has a rippling effect on you and the world. Every single negative belief you and I had has skyrocketed the negativity and destruction in this world via our ill thoughts and beliefs. We believed, we created.

Wait im confusion. Because you told me that every human here is God. So your saying if you believe you are something that will happen? So, how come a little girl who wishes to become a fairy doesnt happen? She dresses is bright sparkly clothes and dreams to be a fairy who can fly. Why isnt she a fairy?
Because she is told from a young age that fairies are make believe. She sees the world around her, the society, the state people are in. Beliefs can conflict, and when they do, the stronger belief is always the one that wins. For example, try to convince yourself that you are batman, you probably can't do it. Because your stronger beliefs that tell you that batman isn't real and that the physical world has strict, rigid rules wins over the flimsy, perhaps minutes old beliefs that "you are batman". With enough time though, practically anything is possible.
"Humans are gods because Jesus is god"
Lol what? So your saying if one person is a prime minister of a country everyone is the prime minister of that country too? Because they are both human? Jesus is unique. He does not sin because God does not sin. While we do thats why we arent God,but Jesus is, who is God.
No, because most people don't believe themselves to be the prime minister of that country. And even if they try to believe, most of the time they will feel delusional and simply drop that belief. Others will persist and eventually have an effect on the world that makes them prime minister.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: Benjamin Reichwald on September 03, 2019, 06:28 am
Monkey Ass.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: thepatient on September 03, 2019, 06:30 am
Monkey Ass.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on September 03, 2019, 06:35 am
"No, I'm not saying they don't want to be someone who is rich, I'm saying they don't believe themselves to be rich and don't believe that they attract an abundance of wealth in their lives.
I don't know for sure why you and I decided to put on these masks, however we can make a pretty good guess. Perhaps God simply wanted to explore the world he created. He created the world, and then decided to live out a life on the world to see what it was like. Perhaps he even created a majority of the world without knowing it? All of the strife, chaos, war, etc. that you see now, god could have created it entirely without knowing."

God did not create hate and evil. Why would he want people to hate each other? If he wanted that God wouldnt sent his son on earth to die on the cross for us to know what love is. The enemy created all of that not God. Its like a mother having a child then trying to make the child having the worst life possible. God is our father, he wants us to know his love, to build a relationship with him, to choose to do it. Not to destroy what he created lol. Why would God want to explore the world 7.6 billion times? Wouldnt he explore it just once? Plus God can see everything from heaven so there is no point of him coming to Earth to explore what he made. He knows what he made. Its like building a lego plane but you the creator of that lego dont know what you are making. How are you going to create a plane if you dont know what your making?

"You are always using your godly power. You can misuse it, but you cannot waste it. Every single thought, intent, and belief has a rippling effect on you and the world. Every single negative belief you and I had has skyrocketed the negativity and destruction in this world via our ill thoughts and beliefs. We believed, we created. "

So your telling me that I would like the world to be in choas full of hate and destruction? And everyone wants that too?

"Because she is told from a young age that fairies are make believe. She sees the world around her, the society, the state people are in. Beliefs can conflict, and when they do, the stronger belief is always the one that wins. For example, try to convince yourself that you are batman, you probably can't do it. Because your stronger beliefs that tell you that batman isn't real and that the physical world has strict, rigid rules wins over the flimsy, perhaps minutes old beliefs that "you are batman". With enough time though, practically anything is possible."

What if the parents never told her that, afterall they are very young. She wouldnt find out until later but for that period of time she will believe she is a fairy when she is not. Like how we arent God boi.

"No, because most people don't believe themselves to be the prime minister of that country. And even if they try to believe, most of the time they will feel delusional and simply drop that belief. Others will persist and eventually have an effect on the world that makes them prime minister."

Just because God became human to save us from our sins doesnt mean every human is God.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on September 03, 2019, 06:36 am
William, what religion are you again?
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: Rich3001k on September 03, 2019, 06:57 am
Celtic Pagan
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: william2001 on September 03, 2019, 10:39 am
God did not create hate and evil. Why would he want people to hate each other? If he wanted that God wouldnt sent his son on earth to die on the cross for us to know what love is. The enemy created all of that not God. Its like a mother having a child then trying to make the child having the worst life possible. God is our father, he wants us to know his love, to build a relationship with him, to choose to do it. Not to destroy what he created lol. Why would God want to explore the world 7.6 billion times? Wouldnt he explore it just once? Plus God can see everything from heaven so there is no point of him coming to Earth to explore what he made. He knows what he made. Its like building a lego plane but you the creator of that lego dont know what you are making. How are you going to create a plane if you dont know what your making?
Heaven is not a physical place. It'd be best if I were to explain it this way. Try to imagine a detailed world with people, different cultures, languages, etc. Now, is it the same as actually being there in person? Of course not. But with enough imagined detail put forth and enough vividness put forth one can inhabit that realm and explore it as much as they like. God is not exploring the world 7.6 billion times, because time is irrelevant, an illusion. He is exploring the world once but it is intertwined with every single life and every single circumstance happening at once. YOU can tune in to any set circumstance/life and experience it.
So your telling me that I would like the world to be in choas full of hate and destruction? And everyone wants that too?
Again, for what must be the twelfth time I've said this, you create what you THINK and BELIEVE. Not what you WANT to happen. One can think destructive thoughts and hateful things without wanting them to happen, but it still causes them to happen. Please take some time to reread my posts because I think you're missing my entire points in this thread.
What if the parents never told her that, afterall they are very young. She wouldnt find out until later but for that period of time she will believe she is a fairy when she is not.
Okay... I was hoping I wouldn't have to talk about this because it tends to get existential and can be quite unnerving, but there are two possible reasons as to why this occurs.
Reason number one: Every person who is conscious right now experiences their own reality, and since there are an infinite number of realities, there are sometimes intersections with other people who are experiencing the same reality. For example, let's say you think, believe, and assume that someone across the street who keeps telling himself he can levitate crazy. By assuming he's wrong and that he is crazy (this is the default option because most people subconsciously abide by old programmings telling themselves what's real and what's not), he does not levitate and the man is laughed at. However, in his perspective reality, the one whom was at the crossroads, if he genuinely believed he could levitate right then and there, and if other people believed him more than they believed the "rigid reality"'s programming, then he could levitate.

Reason number two (this one is a bit creepier but is just as likely): Since everything and everyone is you pushed out, the one who is currently conscious, the one who is self-aware and can make thoughts is the one from which everything is copied, thus entities act the way he wants them to act, whether voluntarily or involuntarily, and thus most people aside from himself are akin to a philosophical zombie-- a person that acts according to another's will and assumptions, sort of like a dream entity in a lucid dream.

William, what religion are you again?
I don't follow or subscribe to any religion. Although if you were to put me back 2000 years you could possibly somewhat consider me a Classic Christian.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on September 04, 2019, 03:22 am
"Again, for what must be the twelfth time I've said this, you create what you THINK and BELIEVE. Not what you WANT to happen. One can think destructive thoughts and hateful things without wanting them to happen, but it still causes them to happen. Please take some time to reread my posts because I think you're missing my entire points in this thread."

Dude if you think and believe soemthing will happen, you would want that to happen otherwise you wouldnt believe it in the first place. Its like you THINK someone to win a soccer match and you BELIEVE they will win your not going to say you dont WANT that to happen otherwise why are you supporting that team? Maybe you need to look at what I said prior because we arent genies boi, if we were our life would be alladin but its not. We arent controlling everything around us with our minds, thnk about it and watch alladin if you dont understand.

"Okay... I was hoping I wouldn't have to talk about this because it tends to get existential and can be quite unnerving, but there are two possible reasons as to why this occurs.
Reason number one: Every person who is conscious right now experiences their own reality, and since there are an infinite number of realities, there are sometimes intersections with other people who are experiencing the same reality. For example, let's say you think, believe, and assume that someone across the street who keeps telling himself he can levitate crazy. By assuming he's wrong and that he is crazy (this is the default option because most people subconsciously abide by old programmings telling themselves what's real and what's not), he does not levitate and the man is laughed at. However, in his perspective reality, the one whom was at the crossroads, if he genuinely believed he could levitate right then and there, and if other people believed him more than they believed the "rigid reality"'s programming, then he could levitate."

So your saying if people believe something will happen so it will happen? Well how about Jesus? No one believed him, the religious priests attacked him since they could not believe that he was the son of God. But then he performed miracles THEN people started to believe. But according to you people must believe in him before, in order so he can perform, but that did not happen. Plus how come we never see people actually levitate(Without using magic) and how come we dont see people flying the sky if people will believe they can?

"Reason number two (this one is a bit creepier but is just as likely): Since everything and everyone is you pushed out, the one who is currently conscious, the one who is self-aware and can make thoughts is the one from which everything is copied, thus entities act the way he wants them to act, whether voluntarily or involuntarily, and thus most people aside from himself are akin to a philosophical zombie-- a person that acts according to another's will and assumptions, sort of like a dream entity in a lucid dream."

So according to you, we dont have free will. One that is really sad. Two, we arent controled by any "entities" we make our own actions, its just we have to follow God,believe that Jesus Christ is the ONLY TRUE SAVIOUR and that there is no other Gods(Yes that means we arent God too boi). Because if we were controled by an entity, evil wouldnt exist because we wouldn't know what evil is...


"I don't follow or subscribe to any religion. Although if you were to put me back 2000 years you could possibly somewhat consider me a Classic Christian. "
Are you Celtic Pagan?
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: deion789 on September 04, 2019, 07:14 am
we are gods of our own lives, because the one true god gave us the power.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: 7grant2 on September 04, 2019, 07:36 am
those religions and the specific God(s)
aren't really artificial, or made up though, atleast to me.
We can't really answer using science and physical means to determine whether or not God exists, but in the Bible its noted that we can't really see God or be in his presence in our human body because doing so will actually kill us. That's why God won't ever come to Earth until the Revelation, which i don't have time to be explaining rn. Some people have witnessed or have been given a message about the things told in the Bible. There have even been books describing heaven and hell. That is mainly why I don't believe these religions are made up. There is good evidence and witnessed splode that is very convincing to me. There is splodety man-made religions I won't name that have no good evidence or witnessed events, but Christianity and some other ones aren't made up. We will find out for sure once we are dead. Not clinically, but like 100% dead, no chance of coming back.
Bad arguments.
1) You just said God can’t be witnesses or be in his presence or we will die. But then you said there is good evidence and witnessed stuff that is evidence. That’s a fallacy - everyone whose witnessed God must be dead. However, if your evidence isn’t direct observation of God, then it’s not evidence but speculation about God, which isn’t evidence.
2) if you cannot directly prove the existence of God through falsifiable evidence, then he is not proven to exist. Hint: no one has ever observed a god figure, as of now such methods of observation exist, and there are not mathematical theorems pointing to a deity, therefore there is no current evidence or notion to prove a God entity exists or is a possibility more than naught.
3) If you say that the (holy religious text) is proof of God, you must prove that the book is factual. Hint: you can’t use the book to prove its own factuality, that’s circular reasoning and is a fallacy.
4) Lastly, you said some people had some evidence. That’s all generic, and doesn’t mean anything. You’ll need to cite specific examples of this “evidence” or else it is just saying words.
5) You said there have been books describing heaven or hell. Well, There have also been books describing the lack of God, like the God Delusion. Why do you favor books that say heaven and hell is real without evidence, but reject books that claim otherwise? Is that not confirmation bias?

As it goes, Thor destroyed all the ice giants and I don’t see any ice giants around...
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: william2001 on September 04, 2019, 03:18 pm
Dude if you think and believe soemthing will happen, you would want that to happen otherwise you wouldnt believe it in the first place. Its like you THINK someone to win a soccer match and you BELIEVE they will win your not going to say you dont WANT that to happen otherwise why are you supporting that team? Maybe you need to look at what I said prior because we arent genies boi, if we were our life would be alladin but its not. We arent controlling everything around us with our minds, thnk about it and watch alladin if you dont understand.
I'm sure rape victims will be happy to hear that their intrusive thoughts about the possibility of them getting raped again apparently means they want it, according to you. You can think of something and not want it to happen, I don't know how the hell you came to the conclusion that thinking about something means you want it to come true.
So your saying if people believe something will happen so it will happen? Well how about Jesus? No one believed him, the religious priests attacked him since they could not believe that he was the son of God. But then he performed miracles THEN people started to believe. But according to you people must believe in him before, in order so he can perform, but that did not happen. Plus how come we never see people actually levitate(Without using magic) and how come we dont see people flying the sky if people will believe they can?
I'm not saying people had to believe in Jesus for him to perform those miracle acts (assuming we're talking about the actual real Jesus and not the allegory to humanity) I'm saying Jesus had to believe in himself that he could perform those miracle acts, and that his beliefs that he could perform those acts had to be greater than his beliefs in the limitations of the current physical world that appears to be real. We don't see people levitate because in our perception, it can't happen. Everybody experiences "reality" differently, and without the ego that our godlike power is filtered through, every single thing would be happening at once.
So according to you, we dont have free will. One that is really sad. Two, we arent controled by any "entities" we make our own actions, its just we have to follow God,believe that Jesus Christ is the ONLY TRUE SAVIOUR and that there is no other Gods(Yes that means we arent God too boi). Because if we were controled by an entity, evil wouldnt exist because we wouldn't know what evil is...
Yeah, we don't have free will. However, our imagination and godlike powers have free will, and that's what controls our reality. Creation is already finished, there is no such thing as the past or future, just the ever-changing present.
Are you Celtic Pagan?
I literally JUST TOLD YOU that I don't follow any particular religion. What don't you understand about that? No I'm not pagan.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: Wind on September 04, 2019, 04:10 pm
Holy splode! That guy just proved Christianity!
Yeah, no he didn't. There's no evidence that the body even disappeared, aside from the testimony of religious leaders, written years after the events allegedly occured, with direct incentives to make splode up.

That's a huge gap, and one that the video did not even attempt to address. The video tends to just take the scripture at it's word, rather than actually prove that the events depicted actually occurred. Yikes.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: Master on September 04, 2019, 07:35 pm
Yeah, no he didn't. There's no evidence that the body even disappeared, aside from the testimony of religious leaders, written years after the events allegedly occured, with direct incentives to make splode up.

That's a huge gap, and one that the video did not even attempt to address. The video tends to just take the scripture at it's word, rather than actually prove that the events depicted actually occurred. Yikes.
Are you really being serious? Or are you joking?
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: Wind on September 04, 2019, 07:55 pm
Are you really being serious? Or are you joking?
Owned with facts and logic
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: Master on September 04, 2019, 09:17 pm
Owned with facts and logic
I seriously hope you are joking because that was the stupidest response I have ever read.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: Wind on September 04, 2019, 09:28 pm
I seriously hope you are joking because that was the stupidest response I have ever read.
Do you have any rebuttal?
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: Master on September 04, 2019, 09:31 pm
Do you have any rebuttal?
This actually happened in history. It’s like you saying World War 2 didn’t happen.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: Wind on September 04, 2019, 09:37 pm
This actually happened in history. It’s like you saying World War 2 didn’t happen.
Do you have any sources you'd like to cite?
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: deion789 on September 04, 2019, 10:38 pm
80 replies. Insane.....
I've never had a thread this HOT. Keep it going!
I was going to respond to 7grant2's response to me, but I have to sleep. Anyways, nice debate everyone!
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: Wind on September 05, 2019, 12:13 am
also Master can you provide any evidence that Christ' body was missing that can be sourced to:
1.) when it actually allegedly happened
2.) was written by somebody who wasn't a Christian/disciple
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: marcvider on September 05, 2019, 02:55 am
Haha Master's logic never gets old. It hApPenEd bEcAuSe iT dId.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: william2001 on September 05, 2019, 05:51 am
also Master can you provide any evidence that Christ' body was missing that can be sourced to:
1.) when it actually allegedly happened
2.) was written by somebody who wasn't a Christian/disciple
yeah.
1. my dad is christ
2. written by my dad
3. dad corporation™
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: thepatient on September 05, 2019, 06:52 am
im jesus' sex slave
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: deion789 on September 05, 2019, 07:07 am
85?
Monkey Ass.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on September 06, 2019, 03:55 am
Do you have any sources you'd like to cite?
Dead Sea scrolls
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on September 06, 2019, 04:03 am
"I'm not saying people had to believe in Jesus for him to perform those miracle acts (assuming we're talking about the actual real Jesus and not the allegory to humanity) I'm saying Jesus had to believe in himself that he could perform those miracle acts, and that his beliefs that he could perform those acts had to be greater than his beliefs in the limitations of the current physical world that appears to be real. We don't see people levitate because in our perception, it can't happen. Everybody experiences "reality" differently, and without the ego that our godlike power is filtered through, every single thing would be happening at once. "

You literally proved that Jesus is God and we arent. Why? Because you said that "he could perform those acts [that] had to be greater than his beliefs" meaning that Jesus had to prove that he is God by performing unexpected miracles so people can afterwards believe in him. Not only that but you emphasise how "We don't see people levitate because in our perception, it can't happen." so your saying we arent God since we are unable to perform things that are impossible. But I thought you were saying how us and Jesus are technically the same because we all have 'God like powers'?

"Yeah, we don't have free will. However, our imagination and godlike powers have free will, and that's what controls our reality. Creation is already finished, there is no such thing as the past or future, just the ever-changing present."

So you just said how we dont have free will but then say how we do have free will. In a survey you must pick one answer or another not both dude. Plus creation is not "already finished" lol every science proves that. Our Earth is constantly changing.

"I literally JUST TOLD YOU that I don't follow any particular religion. What don't you understand about that? No I'm not pagan."

I remember hearing you say that.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on September 06, 2019, 04:05 am
we are gods of our own lives, because the one true god gave us the power.
If you meant free will then yes. God gave us the power of free will and we must not take advantage and misuse it. But if you meant how we could do the impossible,then no your wrong as only God has that power ;)
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: william2001 on September 06, 2019, 10:59 am
You literally proved that Jesus is God and we arent. Why? Because you said that "he could perform those acts [that] had to be greater than his beliefs" meaning that Jesus had to prove that he is God by performing unexpected miracles so people can afterwards believe in him. Not only that but you emphasise how "We don't see people levitate because in our perception, it can't happen." so your saying we arent God since we are unable to perform things that are impossible. But I thought you were saying how us and Jesus are technically the same because we all have 'God like powers'?
You're misinterpreting my points. Jesus is god, but Jesus is also man. Jesus could perform those acts that had to be greater than his beliefs meaning that he had to believe in himself more than he believed in the physical world's "laws". People are god, but they can unknowingly use their godly power to make themselves feel like they're not god and feel like they're bound by strict, physical laws. We are able to perform things that are considered impossible.
Each person has their own view of reality as reality is ultimately subjective. Therefore, each "impossible" thing can be done when perceived by one person, yet at the same time remain not seen by others who do not subscribe to the belief that one impossible thing can be done.
So you just said how we dont have free will but then say how we do have free will. In a survey you must pick one answer or another not both dude. Plus creation is not "already finished" lol every science proves that. Our Earth is constantly changing.
Creation is already finished because time is an illusion. What happened 10 years ago is still happening now, just in a different plane of existence parallel to this one. Our physical bodies don't have free will because they're commanded by the mind/imagination (which is our godly power) which happens to have free will. If we imagine something, we're using our minds' free will to pull that into fruition. Our bodies have to act it out in order for it to come true as is God's (our) power. Plus, even basic psychology proves that most of our decisions are unconscious, meaning that we felt like we decided on that decision but really, it wasn't our body that chose it
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: deion789 on September 06, 2019, 04:55 pm
If you meant free will then yes. God gave us the power of free will and we must not take advantage and misuse it. But if you meant how we could do the impossible,then no your wrong as only God has that power ;)
I meant free will and ''impossible'' things that God allows us to do.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on September 06, 2019, 09:31 pm
I meant free will and ''impossible'' things that God allows us to do.
like I was saying to William we cannot do the "impossible" as we arent God.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on September 06, 2019, 09:43 pm
"You're misinterpreting my points. Jesus is god, but Jesus is also man. Jesus could perform those acts that had to be greater than his beliefs meaning that he had to believe in himself more than he believed in the physical world's "laws". People are god, but they can unknowingly use their godly power to make themselves feel like they're not god and feel like they're bound by strict, physical laws. We are able to perform things that are considered impossible.
Each person has their own view of reality as reality is ultimately subjective. Therefore, each "impossible" thing can be done when perceived by one person, yet at the same time remain not seen by others who do not subscribe to the belief that one impossible thing can be done. Creation is already finished because time is an illusion. What happened 10 years ago is still happening now, just in a different plane of existence parallel to this one. Our physical bodies don't have free will because they're commanded by the mind/imagination (which is our godly power) which happens to have free will. If we imagine something, we're using our minds' free will to pull that into fruition. Our bodies have to act it out in order for it to come true as is God's (our) power. Plus, even basic psychology proves that most of our decisions are unconscious, meaning that we felt like we decided on that decision but really, it wasn't our body that chose it"


Well in Christianity, we dont believe that we are God. Due to the fact that if we were God, we would not need help from someone greater then us because we are God ourselves and we will have the mindset of thinking that we dont need someone to help us and guide us throughout our lives. Thats why Christianity is great. Because we dont have to do life alone. We know we are not perfect. Therefore we know that we all sin. But when we are feeling those times where we are Depressed. Lonely. Or hurt. We can remember what God had did two thousand years ago, dieing on the cross to show us what true love is, to show us how powerful the almighty God is. The first and the last. The Alpha and the Omega. That is our God. Someone who will be with us every step of the way, so we dont have to do it alone. He gave us the Holy spirit. A Gift. Which will continue to give us gifts itself. The holy spirit is all we need. Ever wonder why people in China have seen Jesus in their dreams? Well its because the Bible is banned there. Its because worship is banned there. But God will always find a way, to get into our hearts, so we can get a strong relationship with him. Through our struggles. Through our hurt. We always have to remember to never 'look down, but to look up child.' Because God is watching us from the heavens. He is higher then us. His children on the Earth. Our God loved us so much, he died on the cross taking in all the sin onto himself, he gave us the power of free will so we can choose to love God, not so we are forced to love God. Our God is so perfect he made sure all the atoms on the Earth work together to form chemical reactions or how trees gain photosynthesis. Our Earth is beautiful. Because our God is beautiful. Christianity is God searching for us, not man searching for God. All we have to do is let God in. God Bless  ;)
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: deion789 on September 06, 2019, 10:56 pm

like I was saying to William we cannot do the "impossible" as we arent God.
yes but it can be given
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: Wind on September 06, 2019, 11:29 pm
sadly, christianity is wrong. sad jew gang hours!
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: william2001 on September 06, 2019, 11:49 pm
Well in Christianity, we dont believe that we are God. Due to the fact that if we were God, we would not need help from someone greater then us because we are God ourselves and we will have the mindset of thinking that we dont need someone to help us and guide us throughout our lives. Thats why Christianity is great. Because we dont have to do life alone. We know we are not perfect. Therefore we know that we all sin. But when we are feeling those times where we are Depressed. Lonely. Or hurt. We can remember what God had did two thousand years ago, dieing on the cross to show us what true love is, to show us how powerful the almighty God is. The first and the last. The Alpha and the Omega. That is our God. Someone who will be with us every step of the way, so we dont have to do it alone. He gave us the Holy spirit. A Gift. Which will continue to give us gifts itself. The holy spirit is all we need. Ever wonder why people in China have seen Jesus in their dreams? Well its because the Bible is banned there. Its because worship is banned there. But God will always find a way, to get into our hearts, so we can get a strong relationship with him. Through our struggles. Through our hurt. We always have to remember to never 'look down, but to look up child.' Because God is watching us from the heavens. He is higher then us. His children on the Earth. Our God loved us so much, he died on the cross taking in all the sin onto himself, he gave us the power of free will so we can choose to love God, not so we are forced to love God. Our God is so perfect he made sure all the atoms on the Earth work together to form chemical reactions or how trees gain photosynthesis. Our Earth is beautiful. Because our God is beautiful. Christianity is God searching for us, not man searching for God. All we have to do is let God in. God Bless  ;)
Okay, cool. That only tells me what you currently believe, and it doesn't refute any of my previous points. God (you and me) bless
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on September 07, 2019, 12:05 am
Okay, cool. That only tells me what you currently believe, and it doesn't refute any of my previous points. God (you and me) bless
Techniqually it was a rebutal as well if you looked before :P about free will and why we aint God :P
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on September 07, 2019, 12:07 am

yes but it can be given
If you meant the holy spirit can be given to us then yes. But if you meant God giving us genie powers then no.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: william2001 on September 07, 2019, 12:20 am
Techniqually it was a rebutal as well if you looked before :P about free will and why we aint God :P
I refuted both your points and I don't see a counterargument besides you telling me your beliefs. I don't want to give my full faith into one external being when the power of the world is within me
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on September 07, 2019, 01:37 am
I refuted both your points and I don't see a counterargument besides you telling me your beliefs. I don't want to give my full faith into one external being when the power of the world is within me
I actually attacked your points if you didnt noticed. You said how we are gods. I said "Due to the fact that if we were God, we would not need help from someone greater then us because we are God ourselves and we will have the mindset of thinking that we dont need someone to help us and guide us throughout our lives." emphasising how you are saying we have to do life alone but with Christianity you dont. Not only that but God is higher in status then us, thats why he is in heaven and we are on Earth. You said how God isnt perfect, I said "Our God is so perfect he made sure all the atoms on the Earth work together to form chemical reactions or how trees gain photosynthesis. Our Earth is beautiful. Because our God is beautiful." Plus I said how we have free will as God died on our sins to show us what true love is, as before true love did not exist. See "We can remember what God had did two thousand years ago, dieing on the cross to show us what true love i"


Basically you said you love having power
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: thepatient on September 07, 2019, 12:01 pm
sans and banjo are in the same game, im convinced god exists now
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: william2001 on September 07, 2019, 12:44 pm
I actually attacked your points if you didnt noticed. You said how we are gods. I said "Due to the fact that if we were God, we would not need help from someone greater then us because we are God ourselves and we will have the mindset of thinking that we dont need someone to help us and guide us throughout our lives." emphasising how you are saying we have to do life alone but with Christianity you dont. Not only that but God is higher in status then us, thats why he is in heaven and we are on Earth. You said how God isnt perfect, I said "Our God is so perfect he made sure all the atoms on the Earth work together to form chemical reactions or how trees gain photosynthesis. Our Earth is beautiful. Because our God is beautiful." Plus I said how we have free will as God died on our sins to show us what true love is, as before true love did not exist. See "We can remember what God had did two thousand years ago, dieing on the cross to show us what true love i"
You're just arguing for why Christianity is your go-to religion. I'm saying the human mask God puts on when he goes down to Earth and unknowingly takes the form of a human body is imperfect. God made everything, and then in order to immerse himself in his creation, came down and took it upon himself to become (temporarily) a human, thereby forgetting that he was God in order to rediscover himself. Our masks don't have free will, but our true selves (God) has free will.

Think of it this way, whenever you dream and see other people as well as objects, do they exist outside of you? And, just because you have created that dream, does it mean you're lucid inside of it all the time? Just because there are people in that dream that seem to display sentience and consciousness, does that make them real?

Also, about your alone argument and an external God apparently being with us in Christianity, you're essentially just saying that Christianity is superior because it brings you comfort. Get off of those training wheels and discover your true power. Feel free to keep believing in Christianity if you want, but you can always test and experiment with other things if you so choose. Personally, putting all my faith into an external being is the most discomforting thing I can ever possibly do.
Basically you said you love having power
Nope, I'm saying I'm loving the process of rediscovering my true self.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: 7grant2 on September 07, 2019, 08:22 pm
Despite no one addressing my points, I find everyone’s assumptions of their religion a pretty good read
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on September 07, 2019, 08:44 pm

"You're just arguing for why Christianity is your go-to religion. "

*facepalm* I litterally said why we arent Gods, why God is perfect etc.

"I'm saying the human mask God puts on when he goes down to Earth and unknowingly takes the form of a human body is imperfect. God made everything, and then in order to immerse himself in his creation, came down and took it upon himself to become (temporarily) a human, thereby forgetting that he was God in order to rediscover himself. Our masks don't have free will, but our true selves (God) has free will."

Why would God need to discover himself then make himself forget everything? That would make a lot of nonsense. God is in heaven. We are not,yet. God knows **everything** about us. So there is no need for him to discover himself if we were God. And about your free will then you pick one or the other you cant say, we dont have free will but we do. Its like your saying you are feeling boiling hot but cold like winter.

"Think of it this way, whenever you dream and see other people as well as objects, do they exist outside of you? And, just because you have created that dream, does it mean you're lucid inside of it all the time? Just because there are people in that dream that seem to display sentience and consciousness, does that make them real?"
You have to understand that life isnt a dream. Its called reality for a reason. Its obvious that we are not dreaming if we experience physical pain if we papercut ourselves or other stuff. We create the dream in our heads which are false but we know there is a reality and something that is true if we know what is false.

"Also, about your alone argument and an external God apparently being with us in Christianity, you're essentially just saying that Christianity is superior because it brings you comfort. Get off of those training wheels and discover your true power. Feel free to keep believing in Christianity if you want, but you can always test and experiment with other things if you so choose. Personally, putting all my faith into an external being is the most discomforting thing I can ever possibly do."

Im saying that God risked having all the sins laied on him to save all of us. God is our father. Our creator. Our master. Of course he brings us confort. If you have a loving father of course you want to spend time with him. To feel loved. To feel save. We are Children of God. We are not God. Maybe you should get off your magic world thinking you have the power when you know that deep inside your heart you dont. Everyone has a weakness, everyone knows their limits. We aint spiderman or superman. And if you just noticed they are fake and only appear in the movies. Thats why we need Jesus in our life, to not only build a relationship with him but to get more and more people to know him as well. God is perfect because he knew how everything would work. If God isnt perfect our world wouldnt be what it is now. Things so detailed would not work with each other well and would cause our world to be in destruction. I mean imagine if all phagocytes does not send chemical message to nearby lymphocytes in the body to identify the type of antibody needed to neutralise the pathogens? Our body will be always sick. But because God is perfect he thought of what our body needs to fight of infection. If he wasnt perfect that process wouldnt work. Science not only proves that God exist but also proves how perfect he is. I know that through science if I throw a ball in the air it will always come down. Why? Because there is gravity on Earth. God made it so things that go up must come down. Imagine if he wasnt perfect. And if we throw a ball in the air, we dont know if the ball will continue to go up in the air or come down, why because it has faults. And if God isnt perfect, Science wouldnt exist because we would not know how things would work because things would always happen unexpectedly. Plus believing in only yourself is the saddest thing ever.  Because your hope is only yourself. Ouch.


"Nope, I'm saying I'm loving the process of rediscovering my true self."

In other words you mean yes.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: william2001 on September 07, 2019, 11:52 pm
"You're just arguing for why Christianity is your go-to religion. "

*facepalm* I litterally said why we arent Gods, why God is perfect etc.
No you didn't you said why you BELIEVE we weren't Gods, just based off of the Christian religion. Well, also based off the Christian religion (the Bible) as a certain interpretation, we are exactly Gods.
Why would God need to discover himself then make himself forget everything? That would make a lot of nonsense. God is in heaven. We are not,yet. God knows **everything** about us. So there is no need for him to discover himself if we were God. And about your free will then you pick one or the other you cant say, we dont have free will but we do. Its like your saying you are feeling boiling hot but cold like winter.
It's simple. How boring would it be if you were to take in creation all at once? That is, if God even intended to create everything around us and his own temporary limitations.
You have to understand that life isnt a dream. Its called reality for a reason. Its obvious that we are not dreaming if we experience physical pain if we papercut ourselves or other stuff. We create the dream in our heads which are false but we know there is a reality and something that is true if we know what is false.
How, exactly, do you know it's not a dream? Can you prove reality's existence? In very specific, vivid types of dreams, you can feel pain as a matter of fact. Some people have even been able to control their dreams in a way where they have "persistent realms" (or persistent dreams, if you will) whereby even after waking up, if they go back to bed, they'll be in the same dream they were in last night, and if they were to "die" in that dream, they wouldn't be able to experience it anymore.
Also consider that when you live IN the dream, most of the time you wouldn't be able to tell you were dreaming. Afterall, to you and I when we go to sleep 99% of the time, everything in the dream seems to make sense, it's only after you wake up from that dream do you realize that nothing made sense about it. The same could be applied to """reality""". Some people have even been able to make their dreams feel more real, concrete, and consistent by applying logic, history, and meaning to certain objects inside the dream as well as assumptions/beliefs about the current dream to make it feel more real. Some have even speculated they might be stuck there if they do it too long.

Im saying that God risked having all the sins laied on him to save all of us. God is our father. Our creator. Our master. Of course he brings us confort. If you have a loving father of course you want to spend time with him. To feel loved. To feel save. We are Children of God. We are not God. Maybe you should get off your magic world thinking you have the power when you know that deep inside your heart you dont. Everyone has a weakness, everyone knows their limits. We aint spiderman or superman. And if you just noticed they are fake and only appear in the movies. Thats why we need Jesus in our life, to not only build a relationship with him but to get more and more people to know him as well. God is perfect because he knew how everything would work. If God isnt perfect our world wouldnt be what it is now. Things so detailed would not work with each other well and would cause our world to be in destruction. I mean imagine if all phagocytes does not send chemical message to nearby lymphocytes in the body to identify the type of antibody needed to neutralise the pathogens? Our body will be always sick. But because God is perfect he thought of what our body needs to fight of infection. If he wasnt perfect that process wouldnt work. Science not only proves that God exist but also proves how perfect he is. I know that through science if I throw a ball in the air it will always come down. Why? Because there is gravity on Earth. God made it so things that go up must come down. Imagine if he wasnt perfect. And if we throw a ball in the air, we dont know if the ball will continue to go up in the air or come down, why because it has faults. And if God isnt perfect, Science wouldnt exist because we would not know how things would work because things would always happen unexpectedly. Plus believing in only yourself is the saddest thing ever.  Because your hope is only yourself. Ouch.
We create things/beliefs subconsciously all the time. It's entirely possible that as we came into this "dream" we subconsciously started giving stuff meaning (or maybe we did it on purpose, but just don't remember). You underestimate the power of your inner imagination. How many times have you come across deja vu sensations, ""coincidences"", and other things that are seemingly impossible, such as the placebo effect. Furthermore, studies have been conducted and shown that if you were to imagine yourself working out, running, or generally exercising, then your body would lose a good amount of calories, perhaps maybe even half, or more, than those that you would lose just by working out physically!
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You'll never know if you don't try. I've given you the methods to trying to discover your inner power. I can't force you to do anything, but you can do the work yourself if you feel curious.

Feel free to take it, or leave it. I'm not discussing anymore on this topic because I feel as though all I can say has been said. If you doubt it, just try it. You will see for yourself, like I have, that THOUGHTS, BELIEFS, and ASSUMPTIONS are what the base of our reality is built upon.

Or don't try it, it doesn't matter to me. I'm just opening you up to the possibility. For everyone else in this thread, feel free to try it as well. Who knows, you might find something you didn't expect. It costs nothing, yet you gain everything.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: thepatient on September 08, 2019, 04:19 am
god isnt perfect unless he is named yugioh77
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: marcvider on September 08, 2019, 10:58 am
Debatronic 20k
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on September 10, 2019, 04:51 am
"No you didn't you said why you BELIEVE we weren't Gods, just based off of the Christian religion. Well, also based off the Christian religion (the Bible) as a certain interpretation, we are exactly Gods"

I hate it when people get verses from the Bible then attack the Bible using it. The verses you brought werent even relevant to what you were talking about. Its like grabbing a quote such as "Puppies is the best animal" and turning into, well someone said that kitties "is the best animal". You can only do that when its talking about the exact same thing as you and the point of view that the quote is saying. Dude do I have to repeat it again, I litterally said in exact words. " You said how we are gods. I said "Due to the fact that if we were God, we would not need help from someone greater then us because we are God ourselves and we will have the mindset of thinking that we dont need someone to help us and guide us throughout our lives." We are not God because we do not know what is wrong and right, only God knows.

"It's simple. How boring would it be if you were to take in creation all at once? That is, if God even intended to create everything around us and his own temporary limitations."

You mean how boring it would be to explore the world 7.6 billion times.

"How, exactly, do you know it's not a dream? Can you prove reality's existence? In very specific, vivid types of dreams, you can feel pain as a matter of fact. Some people have even been able to control their dreams in a way where they have "persistent realms" (or persistent dreams, if you will) whereby even after waking up, if they go back to bed, they'll be in the same dream they were in last night, and if they were to "die" in that dream, they wouldn't be able to experience it anymore.
Also consider that when you live IN the dream, most of the time you wouldn't be able to tell you were dreaming. Afterall, to you and I when we go to sleep 99% of the time, everything in the dream seems to make sense, it's only after you wake up from that dream do you realize that nothing made sense about it. The same could be applied to """reality""". Some people have even been able to make their dreams feel more real, concrete, and consistent by applying logic, history, and meaning to certain objects inside the dream as well as assumptions/beliefs about the current dream to make it feel more real. Some have even speculated they might be stuck there if they do it too long."

If you never noticed, we could hear people talk in our ears. So if people appear in your dreams telling you something like they are speaking they are actually using body language and facial expressions and you would instantly know what they are talking about. By the way a dream is called a dream for a reason it isnt reality. And reality is called reality for a reason. If you say otherwise might as well say a fire is ice. Also unlike life, our consequences in dreams would not be even shown to us and we wouldnt even know how we are there in the first place. Lets say you have a dream about being with dinosaurs, you wouldnt know how you got there in the first place. Did you time travel there? No! Its because in reality we have memory of what has occured to us in life, unlike dreams where events happen randomly and in not chronological order.

"We create things/beliefs subconsciously all the time. It's entirely possible that as we came into this "dream" we subconsciously started giving stuff meaning (or maybe we did it on purpose, but just don't remember). You underestimate the power of your inner imagination. How many times have you come across deja vu sensations, ""coincidences"", and other things that are seemingly impossible, such as the placebo effect. Furthermore, studies have been conducted and shown that if you were to imagine yourself working out, running, or generally exercising, then your body would lose a good amount of calories, perhaps maybe even half, or more, than those that you would lose just by working out physically!"

Just because coincidences happen doesnt mean we are God. God could place those coincidences in your life to help you learn a lesson, to help you grow as a person, as children of God or maybe to get you right back on track. I call these "talking donkey" which are referenced to the Bible, where God places these things to get us right back on track. So your telling me, everyone should not be active and exercise to lose weight, instead lets all sit on a couch and 'work out' using our minds...


"You'll never know if you don't try. I've given you the methods to trying to discover your inner power. I can't force you to do anything, but you can do the work yourself if you feel curious."

 I am not siting on the couch to lose weight. Sorry.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: 7grant2 on September 10, 2019, 11:22 am
You'll never know if you don't try.
My favorite argument to convince people to try hard drugs
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: Bolsillos on September 10, 2019, 07:59 pm
My favorite argument to convince people to try hard drugs
lol
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on September 13, 2019, 07:40 pm
Despite no one addressing my points, I find everyone’s assumptions of their religion a pretty good read
Lol srry, what was your doubts/questions? :)
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: wordigirl on September 16, 2019, 05:07 pm
I am not siting on the couch to lose weight. Sorry.
lol
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: william2001 on September 16, 2019, 07:45 pm
I am not siting on the couch to lose weight. Sorry.
Again, it was to provide a point that the mind and imagination have a greater effect on this world than people realize. You can practically do anything with this. Like I said before, if you're not willing to accept this then I see no reason to continue this discussion because we've been going in circles.
If you want to learn more and in greater detail feel free to read any of Neville Goddard's works. Otherwise there really is no reason to continue this. Your loss.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on September 19, 2019, 09:41 pm
Again, it was to provide a point that the mind and imagination have a greater effect on this world than people realize. You can practically do anything with this. Like I said before, if you're not willing to accept this then I see no reason to continue this discussion because we've been going in circles.
If you want to learn more and in greater detail feel free to read any of Neville Goddard's works. Otherwise there really is no reason to continue this. Your loss.
lol you need to watch alladin and see why we dont have power. I mean look at people around you who have the position of power. They become vicious,evil and not themselves. Everyone has the power of free will because God gave it to us, and look at us, we are taking advantage of it. Destroying the Earth and destroying every living thing. And yet you say we have the power to do the impossible. Thats ridiculous. Because if we cannot even handle having the power of free will, what would Earth be like if we have the power of a genie. In other words. Chaos. I mean the world now has order but if we were genies that would break. Maybe try pray to God and build and relationship with him. Know that he can do the impossible and we cannot. Thats why people seek him, not themselves
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: Rockyroad797 on September 22, 2019, 07:12 am
Because theyare people who demand proof or theyre too vain
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: deion789 on September 28, 2019, 10:41 am
I still think God gave us that godly power
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on September 29, 2019, 03:59 am
I still think God gave us that godly power
Well if he gave us the 'holy spirit' which is God yes. But not the I can do the impossible power.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: wordigirl on September 29, 2019, 06:44 am
Well if he gave us the 'holy spirit' which is God yes. But not the I can do the impossible power.
Jesus told us that we can do the impossible. Paul said in Philippians "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." Jesus said in John 14:12 that we'd do even greater things than Him. The secret is that we are not performing works of our own power, but God's power. And not for our own glory, but God's glory.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: kingtrent333 on September 29, 2019, 07:56 am
My favorite argument to convince people to try hard drugs
Lol


Genesis 1:29 is my favorite passage just to point out God approves of marijuana ha ha.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: konnichihao on September 29, 2019, 10:03 am
marijuana ha ha.
thats a bit too hard
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: Master on September 29, 2019, 02:33 pm
Lol


Genesis 1:29 is my favorite passage just to point out God approves of marijuana ha ha.
It doesn’t really allude to that.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on September 29, 2019, 08:19 pm
Jesus told us that we can do the impossible. Paul said in Philippians "I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." Jesus said in John 14:12 that we'd do even greater things than Him. The secret is that we are not performing works of our own power, but God's power. And not for our own glory, but God's glory.
lol yeah forgot to mention that. We can do the impossible through God because he gave us the gift of the Holy Spirit but we do not have more power or in this case better then him in any way because we are human :P
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: sticki on September 29, 2019, 09:11 pm
What documented instances can be cited as people doing the impossible through God- things that would not have been possible in any way, shape or form without him? Not counting biblical times. Not trying to argue a point just curious if there are any you guys know of
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: deion789 on September 29, 2019, 09:12 pm
lol yeah forgot to mention that. We can do the impossible through God because he gave us the gift of the Holy Spirit but we do not have more power or in this case better then him in any way because we are human :P
exactly what I meant
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: deion789 on September 29, 2019, 09:17 pm
What documented instances can be cited as people doing the impossible through God- things that would not have been possible in any way, shape or form without him? Not counting biblical times. Not trying to argue a point just curious if there are any you guys know of
Not much, though I do recall a YT vid I watched that told of people who were able to do things that normal people wouldn't. Most of them are generic, but they are things to be acknowledged.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on September 29, 2019, 11:51 pm
What documented instances can be cited as people doing the impossible through God- things that would not have been possible in any way, shape or form without him? Not counting biblical times. Not trying to argue a point just curious if there are any you guys know of
Well through prayer many people who hve been informed by the doctors that they were going to have a speicifc disease have been miraculously healed.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: kof on September 30, 2019, 03:24 pm
Well through prayer many people who hve been informed by the doctors that they were going to have a speicifc disease have been miraculously healed.
is that not per chance though? ie. they're the type of disease which can be miraculously healed, or it just healed as normal and was treated as a miracle? and what about others who end up dying therefrom?
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: sticki on September 30, 2019, 05:45 pm
Well through prayer many people who hve been informed by the doctors that they were going to have a speicifc disease have been miraculously healed.
Are there any cited documented instances?
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on October 01, 2019, 11:41 pm
is that not per chance though? ie. they're the type of disease which can be miraculously healed, or it just healed as normal and was treated as a miracle? and what about others who end up dying therefrom?
You can call it chance. Why? Because you guys dont want to believe that there is a God there, that will help. Why? Because you thought the impossible is the impossible, but God can do the Impossible including healing impossible diseases. God is higher then us, which is why he is in heaven and we are on Earth, his mind is greater then ours. Therefore we may not fulling understand his thinking. People who have been miraculously healed are open to the fact that there is a God out there and it isnt by chance that they have been healed. They knew that someone is out there helping and supporting them throughout their lives, because God loves them. Which could be the reason why he did it in the first place. He will do anything to find you. Those who are lost in the dark, no matter what. Just like the lost sheep parable in the Bible. Plus we have to understand that God is not a genie. Just because we pray, doesnt mean it automatically happens. If you want to know why, just watch the movie Aladdin. It becomes clear that man will destroy the world due to our sins if God was a genie.Healing is seen as proof of a person’s faith and of God’s love. This is shown in this example where a parent will not give everything the child wants every single time, no matter how much that parent likes that child. In other words we do not want to be spoiled. Because if you are like me, spoil kids are wierd.

Are there any cited documented instances?
Take the Bible for example,it shows
"Lists of the greatest miracles in the Bible would differ depending on whom you ask. Is the greatest miracle in the Bible the time the sun stood still for Joshua (Joshua 10:12–14)? Is it the parting of the Red Sea (Exodus 14)? Is it the movement of the sun’s shadow backward ten steps (Isaiah 38:7–8)? The resurrection of Christ (Matthew 28:1–8)? The feeding of 5,000 (Mark 6:35–44)? Or maybe the greatest miracle in the Bible is the creation of the world (Genesis 1)."
And dont say, just because they are in the Bible it is not true. The Bible is a historical document as well. And just like any other historical document, we can take it litterally.

Well if you still dont want to hear about those miracles there is the dancing sun in the Philippines. Where three girls phropersiced the sun will dance as a result of Mary telling them. If the three children did not trust that miracles will happen then the dancing sun maywould not occur. During this event many people too have been miraculously healed. Someone even recorded the sun dancing on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF0_ysUivxE (Go to around 2min and 30secs)
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: Bolsillos on October 02, 2019, 02:02 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF0_ysUivxE
Amazing!
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: seanthechinaman on October 02, 2019, 07:38 am
Take the Bible for example,it shows
"Lists of the greatest miracles in the Bible would differ depending on whom you ask. Is the greatest miracle in the Bible the time the sun stood still for Joshua (Joshua 10:12–14)? Is it the parting of the Red Sea (Exodus 14)? Is it the movement of the sun’s shadow backward ten steps (Isaiah 38:7–8)? The resurrection of Christ (Matthew 28:1–8)? The feeding of 5,000 (Mark 6:35–44)? Or maybe the greatest miracle in the Bible is the creation of the world (Genesis 1)."
And dont say, just because they are in the Bible it is not true. The Bible is a historical document as well. And just like any other historical document, we can take it litterally.

Well if you still dont want to hear about those miracles there is the dancing sun in the Philippines. Where three girls phropersiced the sun will dance as a result of Mary telling them. If the three children did not trust that miracles will happen then the dancing sun maywould not occur. During this event many people too have been miraculously healed. Someone even recorded the sun dancing on youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF0_ysUivxE (Go to around 2min and 30secs)
historical documents are often backed up by physical evidence ( ie. fossils, ancient artifacts, ruins )
is it even possible to physical prove any of these miracles? how convenient

also wtf am i looking at in this video, a rainbow behind a statue of Jesus? what a novel coincidence
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: sticki on October 02, 2019, 08:00 am
I wasn't trying to say no evidence existed, I'm just wondering if anything documented OUTSIDE of the bible exists.

I didn't know what to expect with that video but please don't take it seriously, whoever was filming it was just turning the exposure up and down distorting the lighting. That was a stationary sun.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: Wind on October 03, 2019, 12:30 am
christians: oh my god my religion doesn't even explain what order i should clip my toe nails in what am i going to do im so confused

jews:
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: konnichihao on October 03, 2019, 01:02 am
christians: Blue his house with a blue little window

jews: And a blue Corvette

christians: And everything is blue for him

jews: And himself and everybody around

christians: 'Cause he ain't got nobody to listen (to listen, to listen)

mormons:
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/wOXQvz3FwajVm/source.gif)
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on October 03, 2019, 02:17 am
historical documents are often backed up by physical evidence ( ie. fossils, ancient artifacts, ruins )
is it even possible to physical prove any of these miracles? how convenient

also wtf am i looking at in this video, a rainbow behind a statue of Jesus? what a novel coincidence
But we know it exists because of the people that experience them.  Which may even include ourselves. We know that they arent lying if they were an atheist, a strong atheist who now believe in God because of a miracle. They know that there is a God out there that loves them. We cant physically prove miracles by like performing one right now, they are called miracles for a reason and only happen at rare occasional times as like it stated previously, God is not a genie, miracles are a proof of a God existing. A God who loves us. Science cant prove everything. Because we arent God, we do not know everything. Because we are human. By the way for the video your suppose to watch from 2:30 mins onwards.
I wasn't trying to say no evidence existed, I'm just wondering if anything documented OUTSIDE of the bible exists.

I didn't know what to expect with that video but please don't take it seriously, whoever was filming it was just turning the exposure up and down distorting the lighting. That was a stationary sun.
Sorry if I misinterpreted it. Are you saying if the events in the Bible are supported by outside resources? If yes then thousands of ancient documents proof the events happen in the old testament and the New Testament are real such as the Dead sea scrolls. Jesus actually existed as documented from Jewish manuscripts. Other cultural documents have  referenced to Jesus existing such as this quote: “Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus …” From the roman leader and historian, Tacitus. This is exactly what the New Testament in the Bible says and Tacitus wasnt even Christian, he was Jewish. He was forced to mention Jesus because he existed even if he doesnt like it, he existed. If Jesus is proven to exist then its proof that what Jesus did could be taken truthfully as well. Jesus is the reason why how we record time existed. Another proof that everything in the Bible is legit is what we use in history called textual  riticism where we compare documents with each other in order to prove if they are reall or not. BC and AD also proves that God exists. Prophecies that have been predicted have been fulfilled as well. Jesus being alive was actually predicted by the old testament as well as Jesus death.

If the sun was really stationary and if the recorder was actually moving the camera to make it to appear like the sun is dancing then that could be proved false. This is emphasised by the people in front of the cameraman, how can the people stay still and appear stationary at the exact time the sun is dancing? This must mean that the sun is actually dancing.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on October 03, 2019, 02:21 am
christians: oh my god my religion doesn't even explain what order i should clip my toe nails in what am i going to do im so confused

jews:
If this is just a rude joke please have some respect, just as I have respect for you and your religion of being a jew.

Just because something doesnt mention in the Bible that doesnt mean we should be in confusion. That means we are aloud to use our free choice to do what we think should be done. For example you gave the example of what order should happen when we are clipping our toe nails. Since it is not mentioned in the Bible we can take whatever order we want, what suits us the best. This also proves that we do not have a destiny as we are a creation with free will.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: william2001 on October 03, 2019, 06:42 am
If this is just a rude joke please have some respect, just as I have respect for you and your religion of being a jew.
You didn't act like you had any respect for my religious position.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: Wind on October 03, 2019, 06:43 am
If this is just a rude joke please have some respect, just as I have respect for you and your religion of being a jew.

Just because something doesnt mention in the Bible that doesnt mean we should be in confusion. That means we are aloud to use our free choice to do what we think should be done. For example you gave the example of what order should happen when we are clipping our toe nails. Since it is not mentioned in the Bible we can take whatever order we want, what suits us the best. This also proves that we do not have a destiny as we are a creation with free will.
I'm just poking fun at the differences between how our religions approach law and the sometimes excessive legalism of my own religion. I apologize if I offended you.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: seanthechinaman on October 03, 2019, 07:31 am
this is hard to read. i give up
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on October 03, 2019, 08:07 am
You didn't act like you had any respect for my religious position.
Dude you didnt either. You took verses from the Bible to attack the Bible plus you said how some events (When Deion mentioned about Revelation) in the Bible is a "dangerous" belief.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: raddude62896 on October 03, 2019, 08:38 am
theres some stuff in the bible that i think arent true. for instance, the ark. so god said to bring 2 of every animal. what about the others? he just made this big flood and killed them? i dont believe that. and having only a male and female making babies then how did they make babies? they would have had to mated with their own family. and its not a guarantee that the female will have male and female babies. another thing, the 10 commandments. why on earth would god tell moses to put them on stone? i mean why not put them on wood or animal skin or something like paper. stuff like they used way back before paper was invented. ive read that people think the bible is just a bunch of made up stories. idk what to believe
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: raddude62896 on October 03, 2019, 08:46 am
lets just say the big bang really happen. why the heck would each planet be different and earth be the only one with life? duh cuz god made everything on earth
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: william2001 on October 03, 2019, 12:00 pm
Dude you didnt either. You took verses from the Bible to attack the Bible plus you said how some events (When Deion mentioned about Revelation) in the Bible is a "dangerous" belief.
I explained my opinion on the matter and used an interpretation of the bible to support my religious beliefs and then you started attacking it. When I tried explaining you kept using the same arguments over and over even though I had just refuted them, not only that but you also kept misinterpreting my points as well.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on October 03, 2019, 07:47 pm
I'm just poking fun at the differences between how our religions approach law and the sometimes excessive legalism of my own religion. I apologize if I offended you.
Sorry if I jumped out of nowhere lol
theres some stuff in the bible that i think arent true. for instance, the ark. so god said to bring 2 of every animal. what about the others? he just made this big flood and killed them? i dont believe that. and having only a male and female making babies then how did they make babies? they would have had to mated with their own family. and its not a guarantee that the female will have male and female babies. another thing, the 10 commandments. why on earth would god tell moses to put them on stone? i mean why not put them on wood or animal skin or something like paper. stuff like they used way back before paper was invented. ive read that people think the bible is just a bunch of made up stories. idk what to believe
When God said he brang two of every animal, he did. He brought two of every kind and not every species. For example you know how there is many different breeds of dogs but they all come from the kind Canis familiaris. So God would most likely bring two of Canis familiaris rather then two of every different breed of dogs. With your commandment thing I have no idea why you have anything against stone. Its God choice to place in the stone, plus if he would have placed it on animal skin or something, alternatively you will probably say why God cant put it in stone lol. It doesnt matter, the point of the commandments is to help and teach us how we should live our lives the way God wants us not what material the commandments are using.
I explained my opinion on the matter and used an interpretation of the bible to support my religious beliefs and then you started attacking it. When I tried explaining you kept using the same arguments over and over even though I had just refuted them, not only that but you also kept misinterpreting my points as well.
Dude this is what started the thing anyway, your not even Christian and the thing when you use verses of the Bible to attack itself is what really got me mad. By the way if you never noticed, the point of a debate is to attack each others points, plus you did not refute any of mine as I refuted yours.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: william2001 on October 03, 2019, 10:05 pm
Dude this is what started the thing anyway, your not even Christian and the thing when you use verses of the Bible to attack itself is what really got me mad. By the way if you never noticed, the point of a debate is to attack each others points, plus you did not refute any of mine as I refuted yours.
How is critically analyzing the Bible and taking a different interpretation to it make you mad? Does it challenge your deeply-set fundamental beliefs, and that's why you got so angry? I believe they call that "blasphemy", which is a form of wrongthink in the modern Christian religion. Also, I never said I was Christian. I said I might've been considered Christian two thousand years ago, there is a difference there. It seems like you're still misinterpreting my points.
I stated that the possibility was open for you to try the beliefs yourself, and you didn't take it. Instead, you decided to misinterpret what I say, make your points based off of arguments I didn't even make, and went in a circular motion by explaining your religion and interpretation of the Bible while never even explaining beyond "thats just not how god works" how exactly I am in the wrong.
The point was not to refute your beliefs, but rather to open up the possibility of a different belief if you so desire. Obviously, you didn't take it and instead went on the critical offensive.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on October 03, 2019, 11:54 pm
How is critically analyzing the Bible and taking a different interpretation to it make you mad? Does it challenge your deeply-set fundamental beliefs, and that's why you got so angry? I believe they call that "blasphemy", which is a form of wrongthink in the modern Christian religion. Also, I never said I was Christian. I said I might've been considered Christian two thousand years ago, there is a difference there. It seems like you're still misinterpreting my points.
I stated that the possibility was open for you to try the beliefs yourself, and you didn't take it. Instead, you decided to misinterpret what I say, make your points based off of arguments I didn't even make, and went in a circular motion by explaining your religion and interpretation of the Bible while never even explaining beyond "thats just not how god works" how exactly I am in the wrong.
The point was not to refute your beliefs, but rather to open up the possibility of a different belief if you so desire. Obviously, you didn't take it and instead went on the critical offensive.
If you have beliefs and are willing to share them, you are open to the fact that you are going to get judged and your going to have a debate.Blasphemy means speaking badly about a religion you spoke badly about mine by using the Bible to attack itself. You can critically analyze the Bible and use your own analysis to determine what you think but what I dislike is the fact you got verses from the Bible and then use them to prove your point even though when you read prior verses to that verse or after that verse they have nothing to do on what you have said. Its like quoting someone saying " Puppies are awesome and they love to lick me for fun and to show they care" to "We can prove that puppies are evil by this quote where someone says how "puppies are" horrible and that they "love to lick" them for hate and disgust. You use the quotes/verses to prove an opposite point to what the whole message is trying to say. Thats what made me mad. By the way just say what religion you are for once, instead of placing it in riddles. Oh you "may call me Christian 2000 years ago" thats dumb ok. You could be any religion,you could be jewish or others. Christianity developed from Jews, be more specific. Plus just because you tell me to do  something that doesnt mean I have to do it. If you never noticed God gave us free will like I said last time. And I chose not to do what you tell me to do. The only points I got from you anyway is that we are all genies and somehow the world is not in choas or we are not like the movie Aladdin, magically.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: kof on October 09, 2019, 11:48 pm
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nono i think you missed the point, how can you be so sure that the people who die of these diseases didn't pray more than anyone else that it would work out? how can you be so sure the people who survived the unsurvivable didn't just do so through dice rolling and statistical chance?
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: mk6520 on October 22, 2019, 04:54 am
nono i think you missed the point, how can you be so sure that the people who die of these diseases didn't pray more than anyone else that it would work out?
In the end its up to God, its God decision of what happens, not us. But if we pray and build a relationship with him we can hope that God will give us a miracle which can be dependent on your faith as well. Miracles happen for a reason. God does these miracles to wake us up, to open our eyes, that he is the one and only true God.

how can you be so sure the people who survived the unsurvivable didn't just do so through dice rolling and statistical chance?
Ok, imagine if you have a disease that the doctors say that you are going to die the next day and there is no way to stop it. All hope you have will be lost. But if you continue praying and building a relationship with him, a miracle may occur. And when you reach the next day, you survived and the doctors say that you have been miraculously healed. Do you think that you survived by chance? Wont you think that there is a God out there who loves you so much and cared for you that he made your sickness, the impossible healed?
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: kof on October 30, 2019, 03:46 pm
Ok, imagine if you have a disease that the doctors say that you are going to die the next day and there is no way to stop it. All hope you have will be lost. But if you continue praying and building a relationship with him, a miracle may occur. And when you reach the next day, you survived and the doctors say that you have been miraculously healed. Do you think that you survived by chance? Wont you think that there is a God out there who loves you so much and cared for you that he made your sickness, the impossible healed?
well doctors never say a patient has a 100% chance of dying at a definitive time because usually that isn't the case. they'd say it's very likely that you'd only survive the next day, but if you do survive longer then that just means you're incredible lucky in my eyes. that's just pure chance
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: deion789 on November 03, 2019, 05:54 pm
i really think we are misunderstanding eachother's religions, which is the main reason why we're debating about this. do you really think an atheist would be able to fully understand a christian's beliefs if he has never been one himself? same goes for other religions.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: dormin3423 on November 05, 2019, 08:01 am
I don't believe in any religion because they're all manmade throughout different historical cultures. so how am I supposed to know that one of them is actually real if history proves that it took someone to come up with every religion? that said nobody really knows so while I dont believe I do respect people who do, all I ask is for the general acceptance that none of us can be certain because we haven't seen the creation of the world with our own eyes.
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: Rockyroad797 on November 07, 2019, 11:22 am
I don't believe in any religion because they're all manmade throughout different historical cultures. so how am I supposed to know that one of them is actually real if history proves that it took someone to come up with every religion? that said nobody really knows so while I dont believe I do respect people who do, all I ask is for the general acceptance that none of us can be certain because we haven't seen the creation of the world with our own eyes.

The creation of the world happened from the big bang, brought by Lord Vishnu or Jesus Christ or Allah (All are the same god, different forms)
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: dormin3423 on November 08, 2019, 01:06 pm
The creation of the world happened from the big bang, brought by Lord Vishnu or Jesus Christ or Allah (All are the same god, different forms)
but where's the explanation for the Ancient Egyptians/Greeks who worshipped multiple gods? how can you prove that god caused the big bang?
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: deion789 on November 08, 2019, 09:20 pm
but where's the explanation for the Ancient Egyptians/Greeks who worshipped multiple gods? how can you prove that god caused the big bang?
are you sure anything else is the cause for the big bang
Title: Re: Atheists, explain why you don't believe in a god.
Post by: william2001 on November 08, 2019, 11:43 pm
I think an interesting question philosophically/religiously (yet sort of useless when talking about scientifically) is whether or not what we see is really real? Are any of you familiar with the term "last thursdayism"? We have no way to definitively 100% prove that the universe was created 13 billion years ago and not, say, yesterday or last thursday. Although for all intents and purposes when we're talking about science, we use what is around us as best we can. It's an interesting subject to talk about the divide between materialistic science and the philosophical/religious beliefs. I don't think they should ever clash with one another but instead enhance each other.