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Feedback Wanted Regarding Board Changes
« on: December 05, 2017, 11:38 PM »
The other moderators and I have been discussing removing (archiving) some of the lesser used or redundant categories to speed up navigation in the site and to try and concentrate forum activity. Since different people use different categories, and we aren't terribly active in some of them; we are looking at feedback regarding the current plan. We may also end up doing some general cleanup regarding other things.

1. Categories we are going to assuredly delete:
Music - Very slow board, even less active than the Sploder Discord's music channel.
Introduce Yourself - Most new users seem to just post a thread in general anyway, since it's more obvious.
Nature Enthusiasts - Only affects soldiers+, its content was already often in the barracks anyway.
Ideas - Is somewhat inactive. Most of them are pretty unlikely to ever be implemented or even looked at by Geoff.
Bugs - Has consistently been very inactive, and hasn't been terribly effective for bug reporting.

2. These boards are going to be fused together, and will be publicly viewable by everyone.
Mod Applicants HQ - Literally hasn't seen a post since august (is it even viewable?)
MS Job Applications - See below.
Reviewer Lane - Is slow enough to no longer need to be sectioned off from MS Job Applications
Mainsite Office - Will also be thrown in to see how it copes since it is a related topic.

3. Deletions we are unsure about:
Debate Tower - The debates are far slower and less frequent than they have been in the past. We would instead have a fused thread in general or featured topics each week act as a debate topic so that we have more activity per debate and more people would be likely to join in.

Nub Barracks - None of the content here has any semblance of quality (and you get more freedom to say the same stuff on Discord). Outside of that, we will try to see if Geoff would be ok with us being a little looser on the reins, so to speak.


All and all, nothing super earth shattering. Just a bunch of tweaks that we would like some feedback on.
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Re: Feedback Wanted Regarding Board Changes
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2017, 12:08 AM »
I don't have access to nub Barracks. Only few members have access to see it ?
 


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Re: Feedback Wanted Regarding Board Changes
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2017, 12:12 AM »
I don't have access to nub Barracks. Only few members have access to see it ?
I forget how access to it worked. It may have been an opt in or post based thing. Not 100% sure.

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Re: Feedback Wanted Regarding Board Changes
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2017, 12:13 AM »
The other moderators and I have been discussing removing (archiving) some of the lesser used or redundant categories to speed up navigation in the site and to try and concentrate forum activity. Since different people use different categories, and we aren't terribly active in some of them; we are looking at feedback regarding the current plan. We may also end up doing some general cleanup regarding other things.

1. Categories we are going to assuredly delete:
Music - Very slow board, even less active than the Sploder Discord's music channel.
Introduce Yourself - Most new users seem to just post a thread in general anyway, since it's more obvious.
Nature Enthusiasts - Only affects soldiers+, its content was already often in the barracks anyway.

2. Sploder mainsite boards are going to be fused together an be publicly viewable by everyone.
Bugs has consistently been very inactive and hasn't been terribly effective for bug reporting.
Ideas is somewhat inactive (and frankly, most of them are pretty unlikely to ever be implemented).
Mod Applicants HQ literally hasn't seen a post since august (is it even viewable?)
Reviewer Lane is slow enough to no longer need to be sectioned off from MS Job Applications
We're going to see how it copes with MSO in the mix.

3. Deletions we are unsure about:
Debate Tower: The debates are far slower and less frequent than they have been in the past. We would instead have a fused thread in general or featured topics each week act as a debate topic so that we have more activity per debate and more people would be likely to join in.

Nub Barracks: None of the content here has any semblance of quality (and you get more freedom to say the same stuff on Discord). Outside of that, we will try to see if Geoff would be ok with us being a little looser on the reins, so to speak.


All and all, nothing super earth shattering. Just a bunch of tweaks that we would like some feedback on.
Do not archive Music. It still holds its purpose here.

You made your point go ahead and archive Introduce yourself.

You can archive Nature Enthusiasts as well, since it was only made to clear out (kind of) spam in the barracks. Which isnít much of a problem anymore.

Sploder Mainsite Boards - Why?
Bugs - yeah that board is pretty much dead.
Ideas - I say just improve on that board, since we at least need somewhere to put our burning ideas.
HQ- go ahead and remove that.
Reviewer Lane - it would make more sense if itís with the other job applications.
Debate Tower - okay.
Nub Barracks - ehh keep it for a little while.

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Re: Feedback Wanted Regarding Board Changes
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2017, 01:27 AM »
The ability to change my vote would be nice, since this really isn't dependant on ensuring opinions aren't swayed. In fact it's the opposite way around since users are prone to voting before reading the arguments for/against some of the options.

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Re: Feedback Wanted Regarding Board Changes
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2017, 01:30 AM »
You can't allow swearing on a public section of a site paired with Adsense so Geoff couldn't ease up too much on the rules, and that's why the nub barracks are important in that sense.

I have no qualms with the other decisions being made, though.

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Re: Feedback Wanted Regarding Board Changes
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2017, 01:46 AM »
Nub barracks can go. It is not in compliance with sploder rules. Debate tower is fine I guess to delete... If you don't mind general becoming crowded with debates. Then, you'd have less "flamewar" excuses to lock threads. People will just go "chill, bro. It's just a debate."

MS boards being merged for what purpose? Sploder's all about games, and everyone tends to forget that.
Also, I thought that they were already public.

I admit that I hardly ever go to music. Most topics from there could kinda fit between pe and general, tbh. Some people love it though, maybe sentimental reasons, and that's why it was brought back in the first place.

I can't see anything soldier+, so I honestly don't care.

I always wondered why reviewer lane was set aside. Merging that is great. Ideas I know are uselessly getting people's hopes up. Trash it. Bugs can be trashed, so yeah.
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Re: Feedback Wanted Regarding Board Changes
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2017, 02:09 AM »
The ability to change my vote would be nice, since this really isn't dependant on ensuring opinions aren't swayed. In fact it's the opposite way around since users are prone to voting before reading the arguments for/against some of the options.
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Note that since you can't change this after a poll is made all votes have been reset as a result


You can't allow swearing on a public section of a site paired with Adsense so Geoff couldn't ease up too much on the rules, and that's why the nub barracks are important in that sense.

I have no qualms with the other decisions being made, though.
Looking at the adsense guidelines, the occasional bit of profane language or oddness would not be in violation of the AdSense policies (though content in the barracks likely would be).

Do not archive Music. It still holds its purpose here.
How is that purpose not potentially served about as well by General and the music channel in discord? The music board attracts about 3 posts per day. If you're worried about such content not surviving in General, would regular stickied threads in General relating to it possibly work?

Ideas - I say just improve on that board, since we at least need somewhere to put our burning ideas.
Game Discussion exists, I can't imagine such content not fitting in there given the current speed of Ideas. There have also been plenty of times where improvements have been attempted for it (I even ran it for about a month), but it doesn't change the fact that it's been years since content from there was really looked over or implemented by Geoff

Sploder Mainsite Boards - Why?
MS boards being merged for what purpose? Sploder's all about games, and everyone tends to forget that.
Also, I thought that they were already public.
Perhaps my wording wasn't very clear. By Sploder Mainsite I was referring to the six boards listed in that category (MS Job Applications, Ideas, Bugs, The Reviewer Lane, Mod Applicants HQ, and the partially hidden Main Site Office). Sploder Play and Game Discussion are staying as-is. I'll adjust the wording in the OP for clarity.

I always wondered why reviewer lane was set aside.
It once portioned off all reviews on the forums, and reviewer was by far the most popular position people tried to go for. It was sectioned off so that it didn't drown out everything else. (Note: Basing this off of memory, may be somewhat/completely incorrect as a result)
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Re: Feedback Wanted Regarding Board Changes
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2017, 03:06 AM »
You'd be surprised at how many longtime users have been dropped because Adsense detected one too many 'F' words on their site. A forum would w/o a doubt show a multitude of results in profanity and when evaluating things like that the type of website isn't taken into consideration. Too risky of a route to take, and what we have now for the general board is fine as is in my own opinion. I've been working for Adsense for two years now and their guidelines paint a very different picture from what you get.

The way a former team of mine went about this was to default all users to a censor, and allow them to lift the censor by modifying their account settings. Google monitors sites using a bot, and while they can make a bot sign up for a website the chances of the bots modifying their account settings are extremely low to nonexistent. It's worth mentioning since something similar could be done here, and it wouldn't risk Geoff's Adsense account being terminated.
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Re: Feedback Wanted Regarding Board Changes
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2017, 04:21 AM »
Looking at the adsense guidelines, the occasional bit of profane language or oddness would not be in violation of the AdSense policies (though content in the barracks likely would be).
We tried this before and it didn't work, it probably won't be back again.

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Re: Feedback Wanted Regarding Board Changes
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2017, 08:42 AM »
Honestly, I'm not a fan of the Nub Barracks. All you guys do is act drunk and most of it isn't even funny. Now the Debate Tower is a little different, I think it's fine as it stands. It's a really good place to talk about moral issues and other things. Just don't post joke debates. Because, that's not what it's suppose to be used for. If you do, I'd be fine deleting it.
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« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2017, 09:15 AM »
I'd like Nature Enthusiasts to stay as a sub-category if it can. I don't want the Barracks to turn back into the drug praising category which led into the creation of Nature Enthusiasts.

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« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2017, 09:15 AM »
Debate Tower has a set purpose while Nub Barracks does not.
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« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2017, 11:29 AM »
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Re: Feedback Wanted Regarding Board Changes
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2017, 01:13 PM »
If Introduce Yourself wasn't a child board, it would get more new people seeing it tbh


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« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2017, 02:03 PM »
if we archive nub barracks where else can we put the discord quote keeper ?

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Re: Feedback Wanted Regarding Board Changes
« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2017, 02:10 PM »
if we archive nub barracks where else can we put the discord quote keeper ?

Being the case we have a couple options

A) Make a new one in general, but censor out the content that would be allowed in the nub barracks..or...
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Re: Feedback Wanted Regarding Board Changes
« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2017, 02:16 PM »
A) Make a new one in general, but censor out the content that would be allowed in the nub barracks..or...
or make a private quote keeper board that we can put it in so that we dont lose all the stuff in that thread
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« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2017, 02:36 PM »
Being the case we have a couple options

A) Make a new one in general, but censor out the content that would be allowed in the nub barracks..or...
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Or stick it in the barracks

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« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2017, 03:01 PM »
or make a private quote keeper board that we can put it in so that we dont lose all the stuff in that thread

So replace the nub barracks with a board that showcases only this topic? Hey kudos to you for the idea, but the mods are trying to limit boards here, not make more.
Or stick it in the barracks

I was gonna say this, but then I realized how many privates it would trigger, lmao.


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« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2017, 03:23 PM »
Why would it trigger any privates? We have a quote keeper in there too, if the privates would like a public one then creating their own is a plausible option that's been practiced with the idea of a quote keeper for years now. The content in the discord quote keeper is meant for the barracks, so if the nub barracks go then moving it to the barracks would make the most sense.

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Re: Feedback Wanted Regarding Board Changes
« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2017, 03:55 PM »
Nub barracks can go. It is not in compliance with sploder rules. Debate tower is fine I guess to delete... If you don't mind general becoming crowded with debates. Then, you'd have less "flamewar" excuses to lock threads. People will just go "chill, bro. It's just a debate."

MS boards being merged for what purpose? Sploder's all about games, and everyone tends to forget that.
Also, I thought that they were already public.

I admit that I hardly ever go to music. Most topics from there could kinda fit between pe and general, tbh. Some people love it though, maybe sentimental reasons, and that's why it was brought back in the first place.

I can't see anything soldier+, so I honestly don't care.

I always wondered why reviewer lane was set aside. Merging that is great. Ideas I know are uselessly getting people's hopes up. Trash it. Bugs can be trashed, so yeah.
I guess you think the barracks, Bunker, MA, LL + should be removed too?

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Re: Feedback Wanted Regarding Board Changes
« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2017, 04:02 PM »
How is that purpose not potentially served about as well by General and the music channel in discord? The music board attracts about 3 posts per day. If you're worried about such content not surviving in General, would regular stickied threads in General relating to it possibly work?
Game Discussion exists, I can't imagine such content not fitting in there given the current speed of Ideas. There have also been plenty of times where improvements have been attempted for it (I even ran it for about a month), but it doesn't change the fact that it's been years since content from there was really looked over or implemented by Geoff
Perhaps my wording wasn't very clear. By Sploder Mainsite I was referring to the six boards listed in that category (MS Job Applications, Ideas, Bugs, The Reviewer Lane, Mod Applicants HQ, and the partially hidden Main Site Office). Sploder Play and Game Discussion are staying as-is. I'll adjust the wording in the OP for clarity.
 It once portioned off all reviews on the forums, and reviewer was by far the most popular position people tried to go for. It was sectioned off so that it didn't drown out everything else. (Note: Basing this off of memory, may be somewhat/completely incorrect as a result)
-General doesnít specifically serve a place for music related threads. And not everyone uses discord. Perhaps.

- Actually that isnít that bad of an idea, we could combine game discussion and  ideas boards together.
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Re: Feedback Wanted Regarding Board Changes
« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2017, 05:50 PM »
Keep The Debate Tower and Nub Barracks.

Especially the Nub Barracks. That's my favorite board. So many wonderful threads there. I don't use the Discord, so getting rid of the Nub Barracks would suck. You shouldn't add the leniency of the Nub Barracks to General because not everyone likes that stuff. The Nub Barracks is a hidden board for those who do want it. You just need at least 500 posts and ask for access. It works.
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Re: Feedback Wanted Regarding Board Changes
« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2017, 07:04 PM »
When we have good debates, we have a good board. I like the Debate Tower. The one on the Discord is a different story however....

I don't know, the Nub Barracks is a fun place to have.


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Re: Feedback Wanted Regarding Board Changes
« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2017, 07:09 PM »
Keep both DT and Nub Barracks.

Also you know this already I'd hope, but archive boards instead of deleting them
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Re: Feedback Wanted Regarding Board Changes
« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2017, 08:00 PM »
Keep both DT and Nub Barracks.

Also you know this already I'd hope, but archive boards instead of deleting them

first sentence literally says archive

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Re: Feedback Wanted Regarding Board Changes
« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2017, 08:48 PM »
first sentence literally says archive

i read through, read posts below, then saw "Categories we are going to assuredly delete:"
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Re: Feedback Wanted Regarding Board Changes
« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2017, 09:46 PM »
I'd like Nature Enthusiasts to stay as a sub-category if it can. I don't want the Barracks to turn back into the drug praising category which led into the creation of Nature Enthusiasts.
Nature Enthusiasts hasn't seen a post since early November, and such discussion can often be found in the Barracks anyway.

You'd be surprised at how many longtime users have been dropped because Adsense detected one too many 'F' words on their site. A forum would w/o a doubt show a multitude of results in profanity and when evaluating things like that the type of website isn't taken into consideration. Too risky of a route to take, and what we have now for the general board is fine as is in my own opinion. I've been working for Adsense for two years now and their guidelines paint a very different picture from what you get.

The way a former team of mine went about this was to default all users to a censor, and allow them to lift the censor by modifying their account settings. Google monitors sites using a bot, and while they can make a bot sign up for a website the chances of the bots modifying their account settings are extremely low to nonexistent. It's worth mentioning since something similar could be done here, and it wouldn't risk Geoff's Adsense account being terminated.
There's probably some settings/plugin for SMF to do that (though Geoff hasn't been too big on adding plugins to the forums).

We tried this before and it didn't work, it probably won't be back again.
Then you should have mentioned that in the LL when Death brought up the idea.


If Introduce Yourself wasn't a child board, it would get more new people seeing it tbh


Also, Mod Applicants was used for this: http://forums.sploder.com/index.php/topic,503259.0.html
Even then, General normally works fine for it anyway. We don't get new users creating such threads that often.

i read through, read posts below, then saw "Categories we are going to assuredly delete:"
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I was using archive/delete interchangeably. Of course the boards would be archived, pushed for that category for a reason.

When we have good debates, we have a good board. I like the Debate Tower. The one on the Discord is a different story however....

I don't know, the Nub Barracks is a fun place to have.
Keep The Debate Tower and Nub Barracks.

Especially the Nub Barracks. That's my favorite board. So many wonderful threads there. I don't use the Discord, so getting rid of the Nub Barracks would suck. You shouldn't add the leniency of the Nub Barracks to General because not everyone likes that stuff. The Nub Barracks is a hidden board for those who do want it. You just need at least 500 posts and ask for access. It works.
debate tower only cause im banned from discord
Debate Tower has a set purpose while Nub Barracks does not.
Honestly, I'm not a fan of the Nub Barracks. All you guys do is act drunk and most of it isn't even funny. Now the Debate Tower is a little different, I think it's fine as it stands. It's a really good place to talk about moral issues and other things. Just don't post joke debates. Because, that's not what it's suppose to be used for. If you do, I'd be fine deleting it.
To be clear, I'm not saying that debate content should be removed from the forums (and it wouldn't survive in General without mod intervention). I'm proposing this as a replacement:
We would instead have a fused thread in general or featured topics each week act as a debate topic so that we have more activity per debate and more people would be likely to join in.
My plan was to allow for users to PM me with debate topic ideas and host a fused debate thread in General that changes every couple of days (with a poll at the top so people can vote for their favored topic).

It's just that the Debate Tower is somewhat slow compared to the past. Would it not benefit from the extra activity and visibility in General?
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Re: Feedback Wanted Regarding Board Changes
« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2017, 02:53 AM »
Nature Enthusiasts hasn't seen a post since early November, and such discussion can often be found in the Barracks anyway.

then its up to you guys to moderate properly and make sure threads are in the right areas.

Also, 1 month is barely inactive.

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